Lithium batteries, not worth it

Let's just get the government out of it!

And we have so much natural gas it is mind boggling!

whisky-dave snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote

How odd that lead, uranium etc isnt.

Fantasy.

No relevant rivers with most of our heavy metal mines.

It has been a problem with one mine in PNG.

We invented nukes which fix the problem LONG ago.

That remains to be seen.

Makes more sense to do nukes instead of renewables.

But we have been able to turn coal into what can power cars for more than 100 years now.

By far the best next step is nukes, not renewables.

Nope, nukes arent.

Plenty of it isnt temporary, most obviously with stainless steel.

Very high internal resistance. Fine for low current, useless for power

The great thing about academic science and engineering is, that given the laws of Nature as currently understood are not being broken, it tells you a little about what might be possible and an enormous amoiunt about what is impossible.

People working on 'renewable technology' are completely wasting their time and your money.

It hasn't delivered anything in 20 years and it never will. Every single great white hope turns out to be a business basket case.

Renewable energy was only ever a virtue signalling move by the EU to sell German windmills to gullible governments. And get their electorates to pay for it.

If you want to reduce emissions, its a bust. Its made no difference whatsoever.

I very much doubt it.

Horse and cart if the Greens get their way.

There is only one substitute for hydrocarbon fuel and that is nuclear power. And its going to be massively hard to remodel industry to use that, and its a dead cert there wont be enough lithium to make the EVS from/ Zil lanes only for the Party apparatchiks. Everyone else gets to cycle.

Or bite the bullet and start manufacturing diesel.

The problem is all the engineering effort and tax payer money is going into the dead end of 'renewables' instead of working out how an all nuclear electric society will work

ROFLMAO!

More sunlit uplands full of fairy farts and unicorn s*it

Gasoline from coal was very prevalent during the apartheid embargo years in S Africa. SASOL made a lot of it along with ethanol from maize waste. Low octane blend that worked OK at 5000 feet in the Transvaal and Vraistaat.

And still is, though the pointy headed greentard wiki editors cant help adding in their bit

"The Sasol plant in Secunda produces 160,000 barrels of fuel from coal every day, which is used to power buses, planes, and automobiles in the country. The plant is both the largest coal-to-liquids plant and the largest point source of greenhouse gas emissions in the world."

The lead is full of other heavy metals where I assume lithium is full of other alkali metal salts like sodium. Lithium mining probably requires more water.

I see that lithium is more abundant than lead but the problem is supply and demand. Lead has been in use for many years and easily recyclable where the lithium business has just taken off.

As a chemist, I would not have large lithium batteries in my house. If a charged battery ignites you cannot extinguish it and there goes your house. Gasoline in ICE vehicles has high energy but requires oxygen whereas in EV's all the energy is self contained.

Once again you do yourself no favours through showing your own ignorance on the subject.

If you were capable of reading you would be aware there are different classes of lead acid battery, some only capable of 80 charge / discharge cycles, and then only to 50%.

You're clearly lacking the comprehension skills to understand that Lithium, if treated well can typically last in excess of 3,000 cycles. Look at some of the batteries classed as NCC class A.

It's coming down in price. You just need to look further.

Which, thankfully is a rare event. You can also get burns from battery acid and now the primary source of acid in acid attacks.

Quite, that's a guarantee. In practice the battery will last many time the distance.

If you compare with a lead-acid you daren't go below 50%. Is that cheating too?

THAT IS a pain in the arse

Not that lithium batteries contain incombustible lithiumn *salts*. It is the electroytes that go 'poof'.

Every time one of those morons says greenhouse gases, say plant air supply.

Why are you imagining him with a sixpack?

I doubt it's any more dangerous than LPG.

My neighborhood Shell station has a hydrogen fill-up thing. I've never seen it used.

It's illegal in the UK, sort of. Under 10 plants they assume it's for personal use and don't give a s*it.

We have weird laws where it's ok to take drugs but not to sell them. A local woman was let off completely when they couldn't prove her bag full of drugs was for sale.

Until they start taxing it through the roof like alcohol and tobacco and petrol.

In the UK, the police thought someone was growing weed in a factory. Actually they were bitcoin mining!