Small 3 Bed Bungalow reasonably insulated.
#Period: 23 Nov07----18Feb08 Kw.hrs used = 6685Kw.hrs.--- i.e 76Kw.hrs/day.
16Kw boiler(non modulating),
on time = approx 5hrs per day
Bill excl Vat = £177.80
They seem to have split the quarterly period into two parts so they can
charge at the high rate twice during the quarter.
Just over 3 kW mean over a whole day - quite modest.
15.2 kW mean input whilst on - sounds OK.
Price change on or around 18th Jan explains that. The total kWh charged
at the higher rate should add up to the normal quarterly threshold value
(or be pro-rata to the old and new threshold values if the threshold has
Beware anyone taking Economy 7 electricity from them on the 'Click
Energy 1' tariff: the previously very competitive night unit price has
increased by over 103%! Time to change supplier, again...
You can hide, but you can't run.
Expect 50% uplift in all domestic energy prices by 2009..
I stuck some money onto a generalised commodity and energy tracker..its
done +3% in just 4 weeks..justr about covered the *difference* in my oil
bill (Â£1000 quid, yesterday) since last time. Ouch.
Apart from nuclear power stations, all the energy that is used in the
world, including fossil fuel, comes from sunshine.
So with respect, the fact that the sunshine is free, is totally irrelevant.
Everything is free, really, till you try and do something with it.
<+pedant mode> ...except geothermal e.g. hot springs.
I suppose you could argue that fossil fuels are renewable over dozens of
millions of years.
That ultimately comes from the Earth's rotation kinetic energy (not the
moon's orbital energy which is actually very slowly increasing due to the
Which makes me think:
How long before the moon is twice as far from earth?
How long before the tides are half as strong?
How long before the "months" are twice as long?
How long would a day be at the above times?
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
*shrug*. Too many people, too few resources. Welcome to the real world.
It wouldn't be disastrous anyway. Just that people would have to buy
more blankets, and with luck, the fashion for bared midriffs would
Hmm... I'm quite aware of the real world. It was me who recently mentioned that
the ONLY real answer is that the world's population should be cut in half, not
be increased by 75 million/year, which is simply unsustainable. Why should those
on comparitively low incomes be forced back into the 18th century , whilst the
better off simply shrug their shoulder and continue in their profligate way?
Why should those on better incomes who have carefully NOT had children,
be required to take care of the spendthrift poor who copulate like
rabbits? And so end up equally poor and miserable?
I wouldn't start claiming moral high ground if I were you. People
standing with their noses in the air on moral high ground are and easy
target for a Kalashnikov.
Anyway the answer to your question is 'because they didn't build nuclear
power stations when they should have, and they did build enough
surveillance systems and weaponry to make themselves the top dogs'
If you don't like it, get into a relatively high income. If you can't.
think of it as evolution in action.
You are then obviously of no value to society, so why should your life
be preserved in preference to any other?
Totall agree. I don't think I ever suggested those without children should
subsidise those with.
There's no issue of moral high ground. Just, what's the point of populating the
world to the point where there aren't enough resources and space for everyone to
enjoy their life, even if they are doing a mundane, yet necessary job ?
I have never found any point to life at all.
The species is biologically constrained to screw and have babies.
Normally disease, famine, internecine warfare and predators would
Civilisation's main thrust has been to render the above obsolete.
Up to a higher level of population anyway.
So, instead we have the strong likelihood that people will starve or
freeze to death, die of disease, or die of internecine warfare.. ;-)
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:57:38 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
But only on paper, so unless you sell the units you still need the cash to
pay the bill... If you sell the units you need to buy some (at the now
higher price) for the next oil bill. B-(
How many p/l was your oil? Projection for our nes fillup is mid April,
though I expect that to get into May as things warm up and our useage goes
All in, a grand for 2200 litres. I think that made it a base price of
43p or so.
see www.boilerjuice.com for latest sharp prices..
Unlike road fuel which is all tax, domestic heating oil moves with base
oil prices quite closely.
I think this year will see ol in the $90-$120 bracket, with about
$100/barrel being an effective floor.
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:53:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
That's the sort of price I was being quoted by most suplliers around here
No good for us, they don't operate here.
Hovering around $100 already. B-(
Been fairly stable between upper 80's and 90 dollars a barrel since
Christmas. What's pushed it up from 88 to 99 in the last couple of weeks?
Looks like it's the market men getting jittery and shifting into
commodities. Rather than any real world problem, like lack of supply or
Check with a comparison site, double check with the supplier's site then
go through Quidco.
Got Â£60 for changing to British Gas when they turned out to be cheapest
last year and am now in line for Â£70 for changing to Eon now they're
My advice is to get your gas elsewhere. I had been with British Gas for
nearly 30 years at this house and my seasonal gas ( and electricity )
bills have been amazingly constant in terms of energy used. There was a
time when they would estimate a bill and get it uncannily right.
Recently their estimated bills have been all over the place, usually
very much in their favour. Very high after prices had gone up and
amazing low when price increases are due to happen. When I tried to
provide customer supplied readings, the updates were ignored, whether
provided by telephone or on-line. At least once per year they threatened
me with disconnection for non-payment of a grossly inaccurate bill which
I had already sent correct readings for.
It was near impossible to speak to anybody who could efficiently sort
things out and I never once got a reply to any letter or e-mail that I
sent - not even recorded delivery letters. The only solution appeared to
be to get involved with lengthy telephone calls, no doubt with British
Gas creaming off a percentage of the call charge too.
Last year I switched suppliers, based on reports of customer
satisfaction rather than cheapness. My bills are even a little lower
than before and the quarterly struggle to get a reasonably accurate bill
has become a distant memory.
After I switched, I got a phone call from British Gas, Customer Sevices
asking why I had left, so I told them that their administration was
appalling, they couldn't sort out problems and nobody within British Gas
appeared to talk to anybody else or keep sensible records. He then said
that he was looking at my account details and they had no record of any
letters, phone calls or complaints and that I must be exaggerating. I
pointed out that rather than me exagerating, he was simply proving my
point. He started getting very hostile and I pointed out that he was
supposed to be working for Customer Sevices. and that shouting at the
customer is not generally regarded as best practice in customer service
circles He put the phone down on me.
In hindsight, I should have switched years before that. It's amazing to
see how differently two companies can behave when it comes to selling me
the same gas and electricitythrough the same pipes and wires.
Before she became SWMBO my wife was a BG customer and paid by
continuosly variable direct debit. BG consistently increased the sums
debitted and refused to believe any suggestion that they were taking
more than they were entitled so to do. They took no notice at all of
the actual units of gas used. The only way that she was able to get a
refund was to move house and not continue using gas.
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