House collapses during retro basement construction.
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I hope the builder's got good insurance!
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House collapse. (Copied from UK legal.)
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It fell down in shame over the Football scandals. (It was the home of the original founder of the Football Association Ebenezer Cobb Morley in the
1860's ) :)Andrew
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Grammy Award-winning singer Duffy and Football Association founder Ebenezer Morley also lived in the house
What all at the same time?
Oh it's the whail - English not their strong point :-)
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This was on the bbc as well. Lots of houses around here getting basements dug, but it does seem to me that people who know about house construction and the stability or otherwise of the ground they are on are not being brought in to the loop on such jobs. where are building control when the plans are submitted? Brian
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So who actually did own it now? Brian
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Was Bernard Cribbens involved at all? Brian
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David Kassler, former owner of Phone4U
More money than sense.
This place is going to be even more extreme
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They are all looked at individually. The French embassy is very pissed off about the one being dug next door, which has just been allowed after a High Court case.
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The plans as such were likely ok. It's the construction methods which probably failed. And you're not going to get a council type on site 24/7.
Lots of basement conversions round here - although generally only single floor ones. On an expensive site like that they may have been going down a long way.
Not heard of any real problems round here - expect to the neighbours with the long winded building process, usually over a year.
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maybe they are worried about getting bugged
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A pound to a pinch of whatsname that this was deliberate. AFAIK there was nobody on site at the time of collapse. The Daley Wail item quotes Mr. Grint 'bricks and debris flying everywhere.' He was supposedly in his van on the side road next to the house. I think this a load of codswallop. I do not believe it. Listed 'blue plaque' structure. Now the owner can create his/her new building. It's one way of circumventing planning and heritage vultures. Probably expensive but effective.
Just my 2d worth, Nick.
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Hard to engineer that one and safely escape.
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I don't know if Streetview shows the house, but someone dug out under the one-time picturesque Old Coffee House, Rope Walk, Hamble , Hampshire, to make a swimming pool. The whole of the inside is now breeze-blocked up, to stop it cracking up any more from being undermined. Streetview cameras may not pick up the blocks through the window glass. The only www image I could find is of the lintle over the door
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As I understand it, when there is a collapse of a listed structure during renovations, the listing authority insist it is re-built exactly 'as was' which can be a very expensive exercise.
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Easily seen on street view (including concrete block interior). Curiously, there's little evidence of exterior cracks or subsidence.
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You wonder why the river bank is still such a sought after location in this day and age. The rich either want to be very low down or, more logically, high up. Hampstead Heath probably still edges it
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The main crack is to the rear and another less obvious one on the side farthest from the quay. Its just possible the streetview camera may have the rear of the building , when it went from the square down to the quay, I think there is a gap in the housing on the hill .
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Hmm. There have been a few cases of developers trying this on in S London
- usually listed pubs etc. And they have been forced to re-build as was.
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I think the house in question was not listed, only in a conservation area, so AIUI there's a good deal more scope for rebuilding with "sympathetic" materials etc.
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Given both these examples were across the road from a river, I'd have thought that a swimming pool is what you get in the basement whether you want one or not. If you seal the basement to stop the damp getting in, the problem is the building then floats upwards because you've put this massive buoyant box in the middle of the water table. Maybe the weight of the full swimming pool will keep it ballasted, but you have to dig out the space before filling it and swimming pools do get drained from time to time.
It surprises me that contractors will take this on, given the risks. Doesn't sound pretty for them when it happens:
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Theo (IANA structural engineer)