Grown up energy talk ...

Interesting, when serious energy news is discussed, renewables aren't mentioned once.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33527967
The risk of blackouts this winter has increased compared with a year ago, according to National Grid. It says the closure of some power stations will have left spare capacity on the system at just 1.2% - the worst for a decade. The grid has secured extra supplies by paying £36m to have several plants on standby and by asking some industries to switch off power. The move will add 50 pence to the typical household energy bill. However, it also means overall spare capacity is now expected to be about 5%. "It's clear that electricity margins for that coldest, darkest half hour of winter are currently tighter than they have been, due to power stations closures", said Cordi O'Hara, National Grid's director of market operations. To ensure the lights stay on, for the second year running, National Grid will pay firms like Centrica and SSE to keep power plants in reserve. It is also paying large energy users, such as Tata Steel, to switch off.
A total of 2.56GW of power has been secured, which National Grid said would increase overall margins to 5.1%. That is still lower than the spare capacity available last winter after similar measures. "As system operator, we feel we've taken a sensible precaution again this winter to buy some extra services", said Cordi O'Hara. "Together with the tools we already use to balance the network these additional services will significantly increase the energy reserve available this winter."
Keeping the lights on is getting more challenging. EU regulations have forced older polluting power plants to close. Low wholesale power prices have continued that trend making some plants uneconomic to keep open. Around 2GW of power has come off the system since last year with the closure of plants including Barking Power Station, Ferrybridge and Littlebrook. "The economics of generation are terrible" said Peter Atherton, a utilities analyst at Jefferies Investment Bank. "Every gas fired plant is losing money. And new build is not delivering. Hence the underlying margins are getting worse".
The government insists that the lights will stay on this winter. "Our priority is to ensure that British families and business have access to secure affordable energy supplies that they can rely on", said Energy Minister Andrea Leadsom. "National Grid have confirmed that our plan to power the economy is working - and it means that the lights will stay on this winter as well as making sure our homes and businesses have the gas and electricity they need in the future." National Grid is now looking at whether it will need to secure more standby generation for the next two years. It had been assumed that the spare capacity on the power network would hit a low in the coming winter and then increase in subsequent years. But National Grid now says that owing to uncertainties, it is no longer clear that margins will recover in the winter of 2016-17. National Grid will now consult on this and will publish final margin figures for the coming winter in the autumn.
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On Wednesday, 15 July 2015 09:59:08 UTC+1, Jethro_uk wrote:

It's only journalists. Similar category to politicians, estate agents and solicitors. You have to go the the technical press to get anything factual.
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On 7/15/2015 9:57 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially since they are the cause of many of the problems...

There is part of the problem...

> "Every gas fired plant is losing money. And new build is not > delivering. Hence the underlying margins are getting worse".
And there is the real one! All the time the operators are compelled to take the "renewable" power in preference to other generators, and pay way over the odds as well, you are going to distort the market so much that its no longer attractive to enter and invest in.
If would make far more sense to pay a subsidy to a plant operator that can at least generate 24/7.
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:48:16 +0100, John Rumm

Or that the installers of renewables pay to cover the cost of providing 24/7 supply from elsewhere when renewables aren't performing, whether that be a subsidy to base-load suppliers or for back-up batteries at every renewable site, recharged by the renewable, to supply an equivalent amount of 'leccy when needed.
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If renewables (solar) are so important why isn't it a planning requirement that all new builds have roofs facing south?
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On 18/07/2015 17:46, bert wrote:

If you were really concerned about AGW you wouldn't want your panels due South, there are enough of them already. You would face them w/e to make solar power available for more hours. They have them due South because that's what gets them more cash. Why do you think harry went for a south facing roof, he is greedy.
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Because that just isn't practical with some of the streets.
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On 15/07/2015 09:57, Jethro_uk wrote:
<snip> > "The economics of generation are terrible" said Peter Atherton, a

I'm not convinced by that statement. It depends on what you mean by "losing money". Presumably that means that projected profits haven't materialised.
If if was cheaper not to generate, then I'm sure they wouldn't be up and running.
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No, they lose even more money.
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On 18/07/2015 17:47, bert wrote:

Good, then it means they make more money when compared to mothballing the plant.
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