Coming back from a week away theres 3feet of grass in the garden,
and stinging nettles and brambles.
If I leave the grass long,
but cut back the nettles and brambles
will the grass smother them
so that next summer i can have a grass lawn?
(Most of my energy this summer will go on clearing the cellar and attic
and drainage and roofs, not digging.)
George (dicegeorge) coughed up some electrons that declared:
From personal experience, probably not.
Evil chemicals such as a foliage applied weedkiller may be the answer, but
the brambles will be harder. I noticed somethign in the garden centre the
other day aimed as killing brambles but I cannot recall its name, sorry.
Too much phosphorus, hence the nettles and brambles. I'd try cutting them
back and getting rid of the cuttings, same for the grass. Over time you'll
eventually reduce the nutrient levels and you should have less trouble.
Cut the grass long to start with. As it thickens out,
cut it progressively shorter. If the underlying grass
is very thin (by which I mean large areas of bare soil
with few actual grass shoots), here's a technique where
you can leave some areas long (typically an uncut line)
to go to seed, and it will help replant the thinned out
areas. I was told about this probably ~30 years ago, but
actually saw it being done in a field for the first time
this year. Of course, you could explicitly reseed too;
last couple of months have been perfect weather for this,
but mid summer could be too dry without extra watering.
If the brambles and nettles are in the grass, they'll
die out as you cut the lawn.
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If you were away for a week, and the grass is now three feet long, it must
have been 2 feet 11 inches long before you went. Maybe a regular (i.e. once
a week) mowing plan would solve the problem. With regard to the nettles and
brambles; they will die if you mow them regularly.
At this time of year 2" a week is not uncommon.
As you say only grass and low lying weeds (dandelion,daisy, clover)
survive regular mowing.
If you want really nice grass and not meadow grass, spray EVERYTHING
with HEAVY OVERDOSE of glyphosate and then plant decent seed. You will
have a sort of lawn by late summer. And a good one next year.
From personal experience, be extremely careful about using any killer
with Clopyralid in it - it has an extremely long (relatively) decaying
period and the cuttings from treated areas should be handled with great
care. The guidance of 2 cuttings to be removed and further cuts to be
composted for a minimum of 6-9 months is probably insufficient. There
are areas in the US where its use on gardens is prohibited to avoid
problems of cuttings entering the commercial composting/recycling chain.
I could go one but suffice it to say that we lost a full year of potato,
tomato and some bean crops in spite of following guidance rigorously.
Colin Brook - Winchester (UK)
Yes. I suppose the answer is to mulch the cuttings in situ rather than
compost for use on potentially delicate plants.
I think this product is aimed at derelict areas where brambles and other
woody plants are invading. Triclopyr on its own might not do the job
(Starane) specifically Cleavers and then only when it is warm but read
Large numbers of farm chemicals have been withdrawn recently. Largely
due to the cost of meeting the licence requirements and better products
Ten years ago, I had to worry about whether cereal straw, incorporated
in farmyard manure, was safe to supply to allotment holders.
Absolutely amazed in this day and age to see anyone advocating the use
of any garden chemicals. Especially for such routine use where normal
hand methods and or mowing would suffice.
Does nobody use a scythe or hand held sickle these days? I presume we
are not talking about a big area (Maybe a quarter acre or less?) and
the OP is not 80+ and infirm?
And if chemicals used where does that polluted water go?
Into ground water and eventually drinking water supplies!
God knows what allergies and diseases our great grandchildren will
Even rain-water these days is polluted! By note:
We have to clear several acres of some 20+ years regrowth of alders
and small coniferous trees, previously used for field crops and are
thinking of renting or buying a rotary 'chain' 'Brush Cutter' driven
by smallish (10 to 15HP) gasoline engine. Probably take a couple of
weeks and involve some hand cutting and burning of the slash.
But chemicals; no way the quality of the water available below our 6
to 7 acres and 'down the slope' to our neighbours some of whom use
wells, would be impaired. There is a natural well near the top of the
property shown to me by a now deceased relative, where they used to
fill up to 'boil the kettle' back in the old days!
Some 30-40 years ago, the land used to be a good place to pick
blackberry, blueberry and partridge berries! Hoping that some have
survived; and will regrow. Another reason not to pollute.
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