Gas boiler ban brought forward.

[harry]

[Bill Wright]

How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all f***ed off you install a gas boiler.

What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive.

Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age.

Bill

[Graham.]

Ground source heat pump and Utility overcoats.

[Robin]

That does rather depend on what level insulation is required by the Future Homes Standard (and whether British housebuilders then actually deliver it). I'd be happy to live without gas in something that meets eg Passivhaus standards.

[Andy Bennet]

When I were a lad we used to huddle round the lit gas oven with the door open to warm us up before walking 2 miles to school, armed with a bag of Victory V lozenges (the proper ones, not the wimpy shit sold today)

[The Natural Philosopher]

Building control, Not planners.

Yes. The idea is 'renewable' electricity, heat pumps and batteries. Its totally insane

[The Natural Philosopher]

Then you would suffocate and have massive condensation instead

The ventlation requirements already drive a coach and horses through modern insulation standards

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[harry]

Well sfb it's very simple. In the end there will be no public distribution of gas, it will be going to highly efficient power stations. (There's no point anyway in having gas to your house for a gas cooker alone.) Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. Homes will be heated using heat pumps. As are quite a few around already I notice. And they will have much higher standards of insulation.

[harry]

I already have one (and no gas).

[harry]

Parping on about things you have zero knowledge as usual. I have had a passive house for twelve years with no condensation problems.

[Robin]

Please explain. The few houses /built/ to such standards I have visited were built without thermal bridging (so did not suffer condensation) and with thermal recovery ventilation.

NB this is not about retrofits where cowboys may slap insulation on the flat bits and forget about the rest.

[Brian Gaff]

What a load of twaddle I bet he has a wood burner in his pad.

I could be uncharitable and suggest he just wants to deflect all the brexit criticism, but that would be unthinkable of such an inteligent responsible citizen, cough,.. Brian

[Steve Walker]

So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? How many people will be able to afford to bring their house up to standard and purchase and install a ground source heat pump - especially within a couple of days when the existing system fails?

Where is this insulation going in an existing house when the boiler fails and the only replacements are heat pumps?

We have a staircase, kitchen, bathroom and boxroom against the end wall. We cannot fit insulation on the inside, as the stairs would be uncomfortably narrowed; the gap between the doorway and the wall in the boxroom does not allow any loss of space (above about 10mm) without not being able to fit a wardrobe and desk, that cannot be in any other position, as they'd then stop the bed being in there at all; equally the bathroom cannot lose space, as it is tiny and needs every inch.

Putting insulation on the outside would not fit in with the surrounding housing; would require pipework to be re-arranged; would require the roof extending and the guttering moving outwards; and would narrow the driveway past the house making access impossible - I have already had to take cars that I needed to work on or to store off road while my wife was ill and could not drive through, with less than 1" clearance on each side, with the mirrors folded!

SteveW

[ARW]

Not everyone has such a good source of hot air as your gob.

[harry]

They will have bigger heat pumps.

[invalid]

Well at least its not the EU but the brexiteers doing it!

Surprising given that's another thing TNP predicted we would be free from when we leave.

[RJH]

It's also only applicable to new builds, which in turn will be insulated properly. District heating maybe, too.

And hopefully people will insulate themselves and heat their homes with a little more thought.

Well, it'll simply not happen unless the government supports it financially.

[RJH]

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IIUC, it'll be new build only - can't see a source for the OP's story.

[Andrew]

Whose ground ?. Modern houses have very little, and flats even less.

[Andrew]

Sounds like a socialist paradise then