If there is, then it is only for the slightly less astute contingent!
Legal use of old colours post dates the introduction of part pee and legal use of the new ones pre dates introduction of it.
So just because it is in old colours does not mean part pee did not apply, and new colours doe not mean that it did.
Upgrading like for like and modifying existing circuits would not be notifiable. Replacing the CU would.
However I would always go with doing what makes for the best and safest installation regardless of the requirements of part pee.
Yes that's the way I will go, I want what I consider to be a safe installation although since fitting the RCD several years ago the only time it has tripped is when I do a monthly test. What I am doing is not rocket science but although I am not a qualified household electrician I have considerable experience in 3 phase control panels so have no worries about tackling this, I do like a nice tidy installation.
Bazza
We're having loads of electrical work done at work, and AFAIK, all the new cabling is in old colours, although I'm not sure I've noticed anything other than 3-phase cabling (and some of that is 11kV, but most is 230/400V). I keep meaning to check what colours they're using for single phase -- must try and remember to do so next week when I'm back on that site.
I know a number of other companies don't permit mixing old and new colours on the same site, but I haven't actually checked what our own rules are with regards to this. In particular, one company had been using the new colours for years to distinguish UPS protected supplies from non-UPS protected supplies.
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:33:50 +0100, a particular chimpanzee, "Roger Mills" randomly hit the keyboard and produced:
Chapter and verse to refute that assertion. AD P, Tables 1 & 2, note f): "Detached garages and sheds are not special locations. Work within them is notifiable only if it involves new outdoor wiring".
In message , Hugo Nebula writes
Does that mean I can fit a 13A socket to the outside of my garage without going through all the Part P nonsense if the garage is already wired up?
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:13:25 +0100, a particular chimpanzee, Peter Twydell randomly hit the keyboard and produced:
In English, "outdoor" means "outside". Or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Part P table 2, Note J:
"The installation of a socket outlet on an external wall is notifiable, since the socket-outlet is an outdoor connector that could be connected to cables that cross the garden and requires RCD protection."
This is distinct from the "outdoor wiring" in the first para though since that is referring to the wring necessary that crosses the garden to get to the garage. Once inside the garage you can make non notifiable alterations, but this ain't one of them.
You can do what you like if it has a plug on the end and you just plug it into an existing socket as far as Prat P is concerned.. By far the easiest way of getting one 13A socket outside even if its not the best way.
So all this is going to do is, people will just ignore the law (as normally happens with 'bad law) or people will obey the letter of the law and either do as Denis suggests (outside socket connected via a lead and plug inside the building) or run even longer extension leads - possibly daisy-chaining them and probably using a non RCD protected supply - and they wonder why it's being referred to as part Pee or Piss! :~(
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:16:41 +0100, ":Jerry:" mused:
Seems to be the most common option IME.
Part p mentions that and specifically includes fixed wiring with the final connection being a plug and socket arrangement.
Quite.
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:08:43 +0100, "dennis@home" mused:
You clearly haven't read part p then.
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General Guidance.
h. The installation of fixed equipment is within the scope in part p, even where the final connection is by a 13A plug and socket.
end quote
Yes, but what then counts as 'fixed', I would not call a bit of flex passed though a hole with the socket attached to a off cut of wood (which is then ever so loosely nailed to the wall) as fixed - my point is that people will do what is required to obey the law but circumnavigate it.
But a luminaire on an external wall isn't notifiable, so you could use an extension lead off a BC adapter.
Owain
Or worse still, left hanging freely to blow around in the wind.
Quite.
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:18 +0100, ":Jerry:" mused:
I think it's intentionally vague and ambiguous enough to be able to include the aforementioned scenario as within the scope of part p. Whether it is or isn't is another matter.
In message , Hugo Nebula writes
Depends on your interpretation, or rather on the meaning given in Part P. Outdoor could mean 'outside the house _and_ garage', i.e. along a fence, under a flower bed, over the lawn, etc. It could also mean 'not in the house', which would include inside the garage. A socket on the external wall of the garage only has wiring outside the garage between the wall and the terminals, but that wire/cable is not exposed, so I wanted to know what the letter of the law is. All I asked for was clarification from people who are familiar with this particular piece of ridiculous nanny state legislation.
I see from subsequent posts that it is deemed to be outdoor wiring, so it's back to the extension lead from the existing socket 20m away on the side of the house. Safety my arse!
"fixed equipment"!
Yes; please don't trip over the extension wire and since it will be possibly made in China of material that might deteriorate rather rapidly in sunlight and UK weather? replace it rather frequently? Right, Alvin? .............................. ALVIN!!!!
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:08:46 +0100, "dennis@home" mused:
A socket outlet is fixed equipment, whether it's screwed to the wall or not, unless it's a trailing socket expressly designed for the purpose of using in an extension lead scenario.
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