Exploding cigarettes.

[The Natural Philosopher]

OTOH 7 years at 2 grand a month for dementia care..for my mother who never smoked post the War.

She/we got the bill for that all right.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Quite. Kids ain't interested in what may happen years away. Until it does happen, then ask why they weren't warned about it.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

My mother also suffered from severe dementia in the last years of her life, but the entire care (and costs) provided by the NHS. In a very nice (NHS) hospice with superb staff. But that was some 20 years ago.

[The Natural Philosopher]

The NHS facility was anything but 'nice' round here.

[dennis]

Smokers like to use NHS costs, ignoring that the costs of providing care, etc. isn't a part of the NHS and probably costs a lot more because the NHS keeps smokers alive longer.

[dennis]

But need more care while they live!

Just how much do you think 24hr care costs?

Think, most smokers don't die from cancer, they get heart disease, amputation, chronic breathing problems, etc.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

That's sad. The one in Aberdeen was the old city hospital - rather attractive Victorian buildings in nice grounds.

Not that it mattered much to the patients - but the excellent care from the staff did.

[Malcolm G]

I certainly have USB chargers rated with different voltages and currents. Whether the voltages differ enough to cause damage I don't know (mainly 5V vs 5.1V).

[The Natural Philosopher]

Nope.

I've seem advanced emphysema patients in wheelchairs on oxygen. No specail care.

Now dementia or bedridden incontinents is a whole different kettle of fish. That s 24x7 with alarmed motion detectors and the like. Its horrendously expensive.

Dying of cancer is quite fast really - so lung and other cancers tend to be in te final stages 'loads of morphine till cancer and overdose meet'

THE most expensive condition is longish term dementia - 5-7 years of progressive vegetablisation.

But smokers dont get that. They dont need it.

Precisely, none of which need 24 hour hospital care.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Tell those who get assaulted by a drunk. Or have their property stolen. Or run over by a drunk driver.

Given smoking has been banned in the work place and all public indoor places, etc, very few are going to be effected by passive smoking these days.

If you think drinking doesn't effect others I'd suggest you visit the centres of most towns on a Friday night. Or any A&E department. Where drunks are one of the main reasons they're overcrowded.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned Roy Castle. But of course not the countless personalities killed by drunks. Too common to be bothered with.

[Judith]

Standard fireworks were quite good.

[dennis]

When they ban smoking in all public places you may be correct, until then you are wrong.

OK so ban drunks too, most of them are smokers too!

[stuart noble]

They haven't mentioned my uncle either. He was violently anti smoking all his life, wouldn't allow it anywhere on his property, but lung cancer got him in the end. And they haven't mentioned my mother in law who smoked 40 Seniors a day and died in her 80s from something unrelated. The Roy Castle argument doesn't really stack up

[charles]

My father was a heavy smoker, too, He died of Prostate cancer aged 89.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

You're one who wants it banned outdoors too? Say no more.

[dennis]

No, I want it banned in public. You can kill yourself how you like if it doesn't affect others as far as I am concerned.

No actually I will go farther I want it banned in the presence of anyone that doesn't want it near them and I deem kids to not want it near them in all places.

You can go and smoke somewhere in private.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

When did you give up?

[Huge]

Monster grasp of epidemiology you haven't got there.

[dennis]

When I was 7. Given that they taste awful and make you cough what sort of idiot starts in the first place? You would have to have the IQ of a slug to start now.