Just chatting with a neighbour about engine oils (as you do) and
remembering how, after an oil change, a sticker would be put on your engine
to show what oil had been used. It used to be helpful back then - I would
think even more now with synthetics, semi-synthetics and mineral oils in
use. Has anyone seen this recently?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:20:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
When I was a kid in the 1950's my father regularly bought half a pint
of oil from the local garage when getting petrol. The garage forecourt
had a little row of graduated oil-pouring cans standing by the pumps
just for that purpose.
Yes well, the smell and smoke from the older cars like the ones described
could not under any circumstances to be said to be clean and green. Mind you
surprised people have not banned 2 stroke engines as used in some garden
equipment and el cheapo outboard motors as they check out a heap of blue
smellyness. When I was young I liked the smell. weird.
This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
Many makers these days specify the brand and type of oil to be used
exclusively. Last time mine was serviced, they included a top up pack of
the correct oil - a litre in a plastic bag with disposable gloves and
*The severity of the itch is proportional to the reach *
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
I was told that with new cars main agents are obliged to put in whatever is
in the manual or originally in the car. Wether you believe that is up for
discussion, I a friend who had a particular fondness for Triumph Dolomites
in the day and had a battle with his local Lookers BL garage who charged by
the quart can for oil despite being told by a mechanic that the oil came o
ut of big drum at the back of the garage.
Worked on the pumps one summer in the mid 60's, often got asked to check
the oil and top it up. We were required to refill empty oil cans from
the bulk tank in the workshop, and try to make sure the customer didn't
see that we didn't have to remove an aluminium tab from them. Castrolite
and XL in those days.
The soot was as much as anything oil exposed to high temperature blowby
The fact of the matter is that materials have come on hugely. A 1960s
BMC A or B engine needed new big end shells at 30,000 and mains at
60,000 or a complete rebuild with rebore and new pistons at 90,000.
Most modern engines are 120-180k before there is *any* noticeable wear.
Metals are harder, oils are better and machining is to far tighter
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
My 2008 Peugeot has done 180,000 and it's still on its original clutch (*),
exhaust system and shock absorbers. The timing belt was replaced at about
100,000 miles - not because it was worn but because this was the mileage
stated by the manufacturer, and a broken belt would cause a valve/piston
collision and hence major engine repair. The water pump was replaced at the
same time simply because it is driven by the timing belt and the labour to
replace the pump is the same as to replace the belt, so it makes sense to
replace the pump just in case, rather than pay for a second lot of labour
some time later on (the cost of a new pump is a lot less than the labour to
OK, so it's needed a new catalytic converter and diesel particulate filter,
two things that a 1960s BMC A or B engine would not have had, but those are
there for environmental rather than performance reasons: the car would run
(illegally) perfectly well without them.
I'm not aware of any rust on the body or on any of the structural members.
My first car, a 1980 Renault 5, suffered from bad rust over the rear wheels,
but even that wasn't structural.
(*) Although the bite point has gradually risen, there's no hint of slippage
so it doesn't need replacing yet. I've never had a car before that has
lasted beyond about 80,000 on the same clutch.
On 27/07/2020 12:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Anywhere near the coast in the western or southern parts of the country
and they rusted away long before they needed major engine repairs.
In the 60' and 70's people actually made a point of buying 2nd
hand cars of the more up-market models that had only been driven
in places like east anglia
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