Ebay again

Sorry to raise this again, and even more sorry not to have anything positive to say, but.........
I'm afraid that my previous message here about alternatives to ebay threw up nothing that got me enthusiastic. What I'm advertising is fairly specialist - eg an old laptop with a broken screen or a different old laptop with a good, fairly rare screen, but that might have a dodgy mainboard - so ebay was the ideal platform.
I've just sold something else to a "suspicious buyer", so for the umpteenth time the sale was just cancelled and all evidence removed.
I had some buyer requirements (must have a Paypal account and must have a credit card registered with them) but, after spending over an hour on the phone with support (whose computer system was playing up), we discovered that the requirements had disappeared from my account and did not now exist in the account options. This seemed as big a surprise to support as it was to me.
I have still had no report back from my Level 2 support query about Buy it Now being added to auctions automatically.
In short, I now think the time is right for a new auction site to start and try to build towards what ebay once was.
We are trying to clear space urgently because we are trying to cope with a full time nursing need for a relative, and ebay has become almost unusable.
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Throw them away. My experience of trying to *give* old PCs away when I was an IT manager in the City, or give stuff away on Freegle, or, as a last resort, sell stuff on eBay, leads me to believe it simply isn't worth the effort of dealing with the general public with old or broken stuff. No-one wants it, and even if they do, they're a PITA.
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Hardly.
Damaged stuff is the last thing you'd want to try selling on eBay.
Even if you put
DAMAGED !!! SOLD AS SEEN !! NEEDS ATTENTION !! FOR SPARES ONLY !!
in large bold read letters across the top of listing and gain at the bottom around 80% of successful bidders will claim not to have noticed this and will be demanding their money back.
Of the other 20%, 15% will claim it's a lot more damaged than the listing suggests and will demand a discount; while the winning bids from the other 5% of non trouble makers will be so low as to not even cover the listing fee.
But apart from that, no problems at all.
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On 24/06/2018 11:29, Bill wrote:

I tend to find you will do much better if you sell parts rather than broken whole computers. So if you have have a rare working screen, take it out, and list it on its own. If you can add some information about what laptop it came from (and possibly others it will fit) all to the good.
(I used to see this at real computer auctions when I went to some years ago - people would bid on a lot that was say a s/h floppy disk drive, but then not bid on a old low spec PC, even though among other things it had a pair of s/h disk drives in it)
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John, yes, that's probably right, but at the moment I just don't have the time to dismantle laptops. Selling as complete faulty machines has been OK in the past. They don't make much, but I was usually left with a feeling that someone had been able to get something useful out of it and appreciated what they had got. I only remember one whinge from ages ago and that was for a working complete laptop. The buyer was obviously a newbie, but responded after a few basic teaching messages from me.
Regarding ebay in general, it will be a shame if it dies. I have tons of stuff I no longer need and it was a way of getting a large audience for something unusual.
The doc has banned me from lifting at the moment, but it should be the ideal place to advertise my Morris Commander gearbox. I would start it at 99p or less. It could make someone's day if they were looking for spares for their boat. I put the "make one from 2 Enfield diesels that might have gone with it" on freecycle and they went OK, but the gearbox is worthy of a bigger audience.
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Don't think there's any danger of Ebay dying.
With the millions of transactions it would be impossible not to have problems with some. Ebay can hardly vet fully everyone who uses it.
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Last week on Radio 4's financial programme, they talked to an ex-employee of MySpace about the reasons for its catastrophic collapse. Partly Rupert Murdoch trying to push the profits too hard and not listening to the users. In the same programme there was mention of ebay beginning a decline. Evan Davis queried this, but it was not pursued.
If there are millions of transactions, they are receiving fees from millions of sellers. The supposed buyers give addresses like #####, ####, ## or !!!!!, !!!!!!!!!, !!! !!!. Even I could write a small program to flag this sort of thing up and put the buyer on hold until it was corrected and fully checked out.
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For heavens sake - just put the stuff into several Freecycle groups in various areas and let people come and collect it.
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That can be just as much a PITA with timewasters as Ebay.
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IME, much, much worse. I've given up with Freegle and just throw stuff away now.
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I usually email anyone who claims anything. Asking for a definite time window and day for collection before giving them the address. Timewasters don't like wasting their time replying, I've found. Those who do take the bother to write a decent purpose email are generally keen on the item.
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BTDT. They still don't turn up.
I've just Freegled a greenhouse. I went to a lot of trouble to dismantle it without damage and took photos so it could be easily reassembled.
- The first responder only wanted some bits of it for spares, but when I pointed out it was an "all or nothing" deal (what am I going to do with half a greenhouse?) stopped responding to emails.
- The second responder made an appointment, failed to turn up and stopped responding to emails.
- The third responder restored my faith in humanity by turning up at the appointed hour (and texted me to say he was on his way), took the 'house and sent me a "Thank you" card!
Previously, I Freegled a freezer with similar responses. One bloke said he'd have it, didn't respond to emails asking for a date/time, so I gave it to someone else, whereupon the original bloke popped up and was abusive when I said I'd given it to someone else.
I can't be having with this bollocks. It all goes in a skip, now.
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But what do you do with something that won't fit in a skip? I'm about to try to drag a GP14 dinghy out of our front "hedge". It's on a trailer and has a long mast. The boat has a rotten bottom, the trailer has flat tyres, but its no worse than when we took it on in the '70's and it then gave us over 10 years of sailing on sea and lakes before we built the bigger boat.
This led to one son's passion for sailing and gave the others plenty to talk about at job interviews etc.
Maybe I'm a romantic very occasional Freecycler, but one has to dream there might be someone else as mad out there.
PS I've also got an aversion to skips, particularly the unlit ones that have ruined so many lives on roads around here.
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When it is something difficult to dispose of, it's a trade between that cost to you and any hassle giving it away. And don't most Know that. ;-)
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I'm afraid IME, the effort involved in Freegling things nearly always exceeds the effort of disposing of it. In the case of the greenhouse, the skip is already on site ...
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wrote:

Most around here use the facebook buy swap sell groups for the free stuff and it doesn’t last very long at all.

But that isnt the case for most.
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What an odd requirment. I don't use a credit card for my Paypal account.
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Which presumably means PP have Direct Debit access to your bank account?
Wow.
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Yes. Just like many others like utility bills and so on. Direct debit has pretty decent protection against false use. It has to have - otherwise no-one would allow it.
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wrote:

And when using it to move money instead of paying for something, there is no paypal fee involved if it is from a bank account, but there is if a credit card is used instead.
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