Is FEMSA just another cudgel to scare homeowners into paying over the
I'm looking around for quotes for double glazing, I have had one
installer become abusive and almost threatening when I told him his
quote was too high (by almost £2000 compared to another installer using
the same profile)). He started blustering on about how I would never be
able to sell my house if the windows weren't installed by a FEMSA
registered company and when I said I didn't believe him he became
abusive and said something along the lines of 'don't come to me when
you're in the sh*t then'. Fairly obviously, this won him my business and
I now think this guy is a god who deserves a position alongside the
Safestyle rep in DG heaven.
Having read a little on FEMSA I understand you can actually get the
certificate from the local authority, does anyone have an idea of the
requirements and cost?
This is another government scam to be able to be seen to be improving
building standards while pushing the cost onto the industry and the
FENSA operates a Competent Person Scheme which you can read about at
www.odpm.gov.uk in the Building Regulations section. For windows
this specifically relates to part L1 (energy conservation) and part N
When replacing windows, you have two choices:
- Use a FENSA registered contractor. Undoubtedly there is a cost to
belong to FENSA, but this should not result in a £2k price hike per
- Use a non-approved contractor or do the work yourself and then
submit a Building Notice to the Building Control dept. of the local
authority. There is a fee for this which is based on the cost of the
work. DIYing does not help you with the fee - they will charge you
as though the work had been done professionally. However, you could
still make a saving on the labour content of the job, just not the
fee. IIRC it's about £50/£1000.
Unlike gas fitting, where the gas safety legislation does require
professional fitters to belong to CORGI, which also forms a basis for
competency to exempt from Building Notice; window fitting does not.
However, you do ned to do one of the above.
Regarding the sale of the property, if you don't have an invoice from
a FENSA installer or a building notice approval from the local
authority, you could have a problem when selling. This lack of
documentation would typically be picked up by a buyer's conveyancor.
However, at that point, you could go for a regularisation from the
local authority. Peculiarly, the fees are the same as for a building
notice and don't carry VAT, further demonstrating that not only is the
legislation from the department run by our pugilistic pal a nonsense,
but its implementation is as well.
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Peculiarly, the fees are the same as for a building
Not quite; the fee is the BN fee plus 20%, but not no VAT (because we don't
have any competition for Regularisation applications) so it is the same plus
When we do B. Reg inspections we ensure L1 compliance (gap to glazing plus
low E glass), safety glass where required, and that ventilation and means of
escape (via new window) no worse than existing.
On 4 Nov 2003 01:31:46 -0800, email@example.com (Neil Jones)
True, but I think if you look at the glass manufacturer and Part L1
specs. you will find that the only other way to achieve this is to use
standard glass but triple glazed......
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Firstly, thanks for all the replies, second, would it be safe to assume
that DG with Pilkington K glass would be OK?
Is there anywhere online I can get a copy of the regs for compliance,
and anywhere that explains E, U and other thermal (I assume) ratings?
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