I'm getting a couple of walls painted. These have got woodchip on some of them but not all (no idea why). Anyway, the decorators have said if the walls aren't in great nick they'll use lining paper. If done properly does it look good?
Also, I'm going for an off-white colour and he suggested doing the ceilings the same. Does that sound right to you? I've always painted the ceilings brilliant white, regardless. Thanks.
I'm getting a couple of rooms painted. These have got woodchip on some of them but not all (no idea why). Anyway, the decorators have said if the walls aren't in great nick they'll use lining paper. If done properly does it look good. It seems a bit old-fashioned but I've no idea, which is why I'm asking. :)
Also, I'm going for an off-white colour and he suggested doing the ceilings the same. Does that sound right to you? I've always painted the ceilings brilliant white, regardless. Thanks.
I have indeed used lining paper on imperfect walls. But I would always use heavy-duty lining paper, not that super-thin stuff that is horrible to hang and is much less effective at smoothing out poor plaster.
I too would usually use white on ceilings. Might go as far as one of the extremely pale off-whites but definitely not cream or magnolia, etc.
Usually woodchip is hiding something, lining done well can look good, but the thin stuff doesn't disguise much, consider thicker stuff if needed
Personally, I'd go with white ceilings
Can't comment on the lining paper, but when we had this bungalow modernised last year, my late wife wanted the walls in a very pale greenish white, as close to the old Dulux 'lime white' as could be got. AIUI 'lime white' isn't available as such, but I took an example along to the nearest Dulux centre, and they matched it to Dulux TR Vinyl Matt tinted, reference number 71yy87078, which has to be made up on their mixing machine. It is indistinguishable from 'lime white', and with brilliant white ceilings, it looks very good. Like you, I've always thought ceilings should be brilliant white. Perhaps your decorator was thinking it would be easier and maybe a little cheaper from his POV if he just did everything the same. Slap it on all over, no need for careful cutting in where ceiling meets wall, etc.
But be aware that IME paint mixed on those machines is never properly mixed, and needs to be further mixed with a paddle in an electric drill (carefully, or it goes everywhere!), and the little patch of intense colour stuck on the underside of the lid needs to be blended in properly!
At one time 30/40 years ago the sheds were awash with woodchip and it was the cheap and easy way to hide something. These days a decent quality lining paper such as fibreliner does the same job and can look better. However, fibreliner will only hide minor imperfections so if stripping the wood chip reveals and real problems these do need to be fixed before using a lining paper.
The decorators would prefer not to cut in between two colours of paint hence suggesting that the same colour is used on the walls and ceilings.
The only thing I would recommend is that the ceiling is a matt finish rather than a "silk" finish.
Would an off white join on a white ceiling make the off white look dirty? Contrasting colours may work but when one is minor shade away will it still look OK?
I have never seen the sense in lining paper. It's a peculiar English practice - you never see it in the rest of the world. The paper clings to every imperfection in the wall so it is a lot of work for very little benefit, and besides I like my walls to be masonry not paper.
TW
Lining paper covers up cracks and plaster patches in this 108 year old house.
+1. Done well it really helps old walls and ceilings. TimW posting below is simply wrong.
If the decorator cannot cut in, I'd find a new decorator!!!
If I can hand cut a dark colour to a light colour, anyone who can't needs to be fired! :->
And it[1] can also (as in this 122 year old house in places) hold loose plaster on the wall.
[1] "It" is not paper as such: it's Erfurt Wallrock. More expensive than paper but vastly tougher and IMO easier to hang
Either is fine. Same colour is a bit quicker for them. Go with what you prefer.
NT
+1 Paste the wall with a industrial strength paste - not the paper.
It makes the Erfurt Wallrock very easy to handle, especially compared to heavyweight traditional lining papers that need to be "soaked" in paste before hanging. The Erfurt Wallrock does not stretch.
Note: Erfurt Wallrock will not hide major flaws in plaster or different levels that have not been sanded to blend in but it will hide crazed plaster etc. as found in many old houses.
Thanks.
Also to be noted is that lining paper can very much even out the absorption of paint - a problem that can occur even when the plaster is dead flat.
My first reply seems to have disappeared but I agree. Less work cutting in if the walls and ceiling are the same colour.
What I question is if the ceiling is white and the walls are a different "shade" of white will the wall or the ceiling appear to be dirty? Different colours may work if highly contrasting but when near the same colour will it work or create an illusion that something is wrong?
I would also recommend matt paint for ceilings rather than silk or glossy. Possibly matt for the walls if not perfectly flat.
I've done white & near white and not had any problem there. It's just a taste preference.
I'd always use matt for walls unless extra robustness or wipeability is needed.
NT
That very much depends on how often you want to repaint the ceiling. I guess if it looks a bit faded to start with nobody will notice if it fades a bit. Brian
Almost all of the walls here are <hangs head in shame> woodchip, used to hide the numerous flaws. I prefer silk as it doesn't look so drab and, as you say, is easy to clean. On a 'textured' surface it's OK but can be a bit overwhelming on a large, smooth surface. I prefer silk for ceilings - when I fitted new luminaires I had to repaing some small areas around the fittings. Had only matt - it looks grey at a low angle, cf. the silk.
And this one (except that it is 250 years old)
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Silk is horrid.
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