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[Richard]

This may be of interest to you then:

[Robin]

FWIW I looked at that for elderly relative earlier this year.

BT then provided about an hour's battery backup. And seems to be the core of Ofcom's latest con doc on future requirements.

BT's then current hardware allowed external DC power to extend that period (eg if you don't have reliable mobile phone coverage) to a socket on the box which provides all the sockets

Didn't go further though so I've not had eyes on one.

[T i m]

Gdgd.

None required. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

Yup. And whilst I'm not discounting they might have used the 'right' ends, using rigid cable as a patch is a no-no to me.

Quite.

Ok. I can't say I've ever had issues either because I don't do it. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Liquorice]

Hum interesting but I'm not sure what it's saying. The exchanges have been fibre linked (aka "digital") for a long time, previoulsy over ATM but since the turn of the centary moving to an IP based system.

"This follows plans by BT to upgrade its customers from analogue (PSTN) to digital (all IP) telephone services by 2025."

That implies that the local end will become IP (digital) but says nothing about how that will be done. Our lowly 5 Mbps ADSL2+ has more than enough bandwidth for a VOIP connection (as we use VOIP...), BT Internet already snaffles a bit of a customers bandwidth to provide the FON access at each of their Home Hubs, not a great leap to put a POTS port on the "Home Hub(*)" and snaffle a bit more bandwidth or use the same. I'd expect a more basic and generic NTE though, just providing a POTS and ethernet port. Service on either port only being available when a contract with a POTS and/or internet provider is in place.

Final sentance:

"Openreach also plans to pass three million homes and businesses with fibre-to-the-premise by 2020."

"plans to pass" that is not the same as "plans to connect"... And 5 years to replace all the copper with fibre? Not long enough.

(*) If it doesn't already have one...

[spuorgelgoog]

16-extension PABX, but the keyphones require 2 pairs. I've doubled up some lines, but I'm already using 6 pairs for the 9 phones in the lounge.

Owain

[Robin]

You are of course right. Openreach are looking at a mixture of fibre and copper. A little more here:

[Dave Liquorice]

Yep, the table of power outage durations over the years is interesting as well.

What makes you think a mobile will work if the local power is iffy? Not many cells have back up power...

That and makers info sheet linked from it about on the new ONT indicate that the Battery Backup Unit (BBU) still lives off 12 V DC supplied via a wall wart. Ought to be fairly easy to just shove a decent sized 12 V SLA in circuit (or manaully plug when the power goes off) to get rather more than 1 hour uptime. Thanks for the links, fills in a lot of the knowledge holes. The biggest snag may well be finding a half decent ISP that does FTTPoD as it appears (from between the lines) that is how the internet side of these boxes will be marketed.

[Tim Lamb]

In message , T i m writes

Er.. what I have laid in is solid core!

[Dave Liquorice]

That's fine for fixed installation cable and the IDC connectors on the back of sockets are designed for solid core.

The problem is with plugs on solid core cable. The IDC blade for each terminal in most plugs is designed for stranded, ie flexible patch cable.

[T i m]

Quite. (Tim) The idea is that you run the solid cables from point to point (as once installed there aren't ever going to be flexed) and then terminate them into wall / floor boxes or a patch panel of some sort. These are connected via 'punchdown' / IDC and *are* designed only for solid conductors. With a box (or patch panel) at either end, you then go from there to your switch / device with a flexible (stranded) 'patch cable'. You can either make these patch cables up yourself or buy them in ready made to your chosen lengths (my referred solution these days).

Yeah, bottom of the page:

Cheers, T i m

[Vir Campestris]

3G barely works here. I assume his cottage too is not in the middle of a major town?

And

[Vir Campestris]

There are POTS ports on the fibre modem. But BT's IT is broken, and it won't route incoming calls to them. If we wanted two we could make two calls at once though - we can use them for outgoing.

In the not-very-long term I am going to switch to VOIP. Need a round tuit first though.

Small UPS on the plug for the fibre modem. Don't know how long it would last - have never tried to use it in a power cut as the 'phone is still on copper, and the router has no UPS.

It's got an Ethernet port that's plugged in to the BT supplied router. That does the firewall and WiFi. It's actually pretty good at WiFi.

Currently with BT (because I knew they'd screw up theinstall, and run late, and that meant there was only one company to shout at). Need another round tuit, will switch to Zen or AAISP.

Andy

[Dave Liquorice]

Doesn't bode well unless it's simply a config error somewhere due to unfamiliarity.

BT Internet is just A.N.Other reseller via BT Wholesale of BT Openreach's physical network. Some ISPs are much better than others at kicking BT into getting things sorted out.

AA don't "do" FTTPoD (or at least they didn't last time I looked, due to the complexity, costs and moving goal posts). I think this fibre service is being marketed as FTTPoD. AA do ethernet on FTTP but you probably wouldn't like the rental.

[Dave Liquorice]

Why do I get the feeling there is a complete working section of crossbar or strowger (or both) exchange in the garage... B-)

[Vir Campestris]

I already have it, and they seem able to continue it. Getting a price out of them has been hard and I've been busy.

Andy

[Dave Liquorice]

fibre

Either you have deep pockets or there is another "product"...

Wanders off to AAISP site. They definately don't do "FTTPoD" and "FTTP" isn't the same as "ethernet over FTTP" that requires the deep pockets.

Home::1 is available with "FTTP" as the delivery medium, where available. £100 install, min 12 months, free WiFi router, £40/month,

200GB allowance, 80 or 160 Mbps depending on location. SoHo::1 is almost the same just add VAT to those prices.

Now the BTWholesale line checker(*):

checker

Says that FTTPoD, WBC ADSL2+, ADSL Max, Fixed Rate and ADSL Multicast are all available here. What does it say is available for your number(s)? Just trying to work out what this "FTTP" that AA are using really is and how/if you can see if it is available without it being physically obvious.

[Vir Campestris]

Mine says I can have VDSL (I'm surprised) at 50-60; WBC FTTP at up to

1000 (which is odd; I thought it was GPON, 330 max, and BT didn't list 1000 when I looked earlier) WBC ADSL 2+ at 2, and ADSL Max at 1.

In practice old ADSL ran about 5.

Andy

[Dave Liquorice]

Multicast

Thought you still had the copper. B-)

Ah so FTTP is a seperate listing, useful. The G in GPON is for Gigabit... The relatively new drive for "full fibre" and the Gigabit Voucher scheme spec that the infrastructure (ONT excluded) must be capable of 1 Gbps.

The 330 max comes from FTTPoD, that presumably uses a different technology. Curious that it's max is also the max of G.Fast...

The checker is normally a bit pesimistic. It says 2 ish for us but we get 5 to 6 on ADSL2+

[spuorgelgoog]

Oh, I wish!

Just a PMBX 3+9, Minimaster 2+10, a few Plans 107, HES2 and HES4 (non-working as no relay units) and a few other bits and bobs I've picked up on me travels.

Owain