Copper & Plastic plumbing - freely mixing and matching?

[Andy Hall]

You have no idea how much I've used and under what circumstances.

Of course, I've always used the manufacturer's recommended fitting methods and tools..........

[IMM]

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

..and been ripped off.

[Andy Hall]

For a fiver for the proper tool to do a job? You have some very funny ideas.

[IMM]

No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.

[Andy Hall]

Oh really?

inc VAT.

[MBQ]

You know how you always get a pack of christmas cards from "foot & mouth" painters at this time of year? I think we've discovered a foot & mouth plumber!

MBQ

[IMM]

[IMM]

I never, and I have no idea of what you are on about.

[StealthUK]

I've used plenty of speedfit - no leaks at all even after disassembling/reassembling.

[Andy Hall]

... and your point is?

I don't think I've ever seen a Hepworth or JG pipe cutter in a plumber's merchants. Typically they have Rothenberger ones which probably do cost more than a fiver.

Frankly,even if they cost £15 it doesn't matter if the result is that a proper joint is made under a bathroom floor.

The cost of fixing the ceiling below and ripping up the tiles on the bathroom floor is going to vastly exceed £15 if the work is bodged as you suggest and do rather than being done properly.

[IMM]

Very lucky man.

[IMM]

The makers tools are not a fiver. Duh!

A proper joint can be make without a specialist cutter. The cutter makes matters quicker, nothing else.

[Andy Hall]

So what.

The manufacturers (all of them) recommend using a pipe cutter. It doesn't have to be *their* pipe cutter, just *a* pipe cutter of suitable type.

Even if they were pushing *their* pipe cutter, I really don't think that they would be making their shareholders happy on the revenues of selling pipe cutters vs. pipe and fittings, do you?

In your case it also seems to make the difference between doing a proper job and screwing up.

You're not arguing from a position of strength exactly, are you?

[IMM]

They "recommend", not say it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary.

Are your really so dumb!

[Steve Firth]

Several makers sell cutters for much less than a fiver. And all manufacturers of push fit fittings recommend that the installer uses a cutter. Indeed all manufacturers specifically warn against the use of a hacksaw.

However some amateurs are so bloody illiterate that they fail to read and understand these instructions just as they fail to understand the posts to which they reply.

[Andy Hall]

In manufacturer's published installation directions there is either a specific instruction not to use a hack saw but to use a proper pipe cutter, or two pictures with a red cross and a green tick indicating the same for those unable to read. By the way the cross means "don't do" - it isn't a kiss.

It's "you're" by the way.

No, which is why I follow the instructions, use the proper tools and get a good result.

You, on the other hand, who thought he knew better than the instructions, bodged a job by using a hack saw and then wondered why he didn't get satisfactory results are advocating that others do the same.

Now you're suggesting that I'm dumb?

[IMM]

< snip >

Read my posts on this.

[IMM]

< snip drivel >

I said..."They "recommend", not say it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary." Now read that out loud for a few hours.

[Steve Firth]

I did, and what a pile of uninformed amateur drivel they were. Posted by a f****it who tried to use a hacksaw when the installation literature specifically warned not to do so, then the same amateur blamed the fittings rather than his own incompetence.

Here's the bit you snipped again:

You can snip it again, but it will still be there for others to read.

[IMM]

< snip tripe >

Cor! A mentalist. Well nothing sunk in then did it.