Went to SF today. Had a look at a Makita 18V that was out on display and
Went to the counter and asked to look at the Site 18V (it is 13mm chuck and
does have 3 batteries - didn't look at the 14.4V model). It seemed a bit
'cheap' cf. the Makita: the switches were smaller and not so well formed
(not good for my fingers to operate) so, as it's me barfday on Monday (I
have one a year), I treated myself to the Makita.
Thanks for all the guidance. Now I must find some holes that need making.
Ref the thread about a B&Q Warehouse going trade only, asking to look at
things in SF just isn't playing the game :-) Would Argos do that? Still,
I'm glad you did because I plumped for the Makita too, based on the
likelihood that the build would be better.
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:53:05 +0000, stuart noble wrote:
Might not be 'playing the game' but would you buy something where the
details conflicted with themselves, without ascertaining the truth? I SF
wants just to sell items, it should give sufficent, correct information for
that to be done.
In addition, the claim that Site is the same just isn't true and I wanted
to check the claim - glad that I did.
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:45:54 +0000, John Rumm wrote:
Yes, but the differences felt almost like a cheap copy rather than being
cosmetically different to give a clear identity. I also wondered if Site is
a 'sink' for the components that don't quite make the grade, especially
batteries (bit like RAM).
The Makita 18V battery is about 43% heavier than the 14.4V Powercraft one
(it was so noticeable that I weighed them - OK, I'll get out more).
Allowing for the extra 3 cells (25%), this gives more than a third extra.
There might be some extra circuitry in the Makita battery but not that
Might be like PC PSUs, where weight can be an initial guide to quality. My
brother has an 'ancient' Makita with 1.3Ah NiCd and it still performs well.
I can't comment directly on the drills since I have only handled the
Makita versions, although it is worth noting that the difference between
the current models and the previous ones are more than just cosmetic -
and that's when comparing equal products in the range.
So I would not be surprised if they felt somewhat different anyway -
especially as I expect the top end Site is probably based on a low/mid
range Mak model - there would be no point in selling a cheaper version
of their best tools via SF if all its going to do is cannibalise their
 e.g. My 8443D:
cf the current version 8444:
Different body, gearbox, chuck, torque limiter etc.
Possibly... at least they seem to have shied away from cheap plastic
gearboxes - but short of dissecting one of each its hard to make
Weight of cells is often a good indication of capacity - and better
capacity are also usually higher quality in other respects. The harder
one to call is the good quality low capacity pack. I had very good
service out of my first three packs (2.6Ah NiMh) - one of which has now
turned up its toes, but then again TMH got good life out of his original
set of 1.3Ah ones - so mak obviously can do some decent quality low
I have some DeWalt 14.4V tools, with one 1.3Ah pack and some 2.2Ah ones.
In that case the 1.3Ah packs are rubbish in comparison to the higher cap
ones (offering significantly less that half the life between charges,
and less peak current delivery) - so a decent brand on the outside of
the pack is not a guarantee of quality alas.
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:00:37 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
That's quite long. The Powercraft is about 28cm and the new Mak. about
That has mixed reviews!
After looking at some DeWalt on SF and reading the reviews, I decided that
they were overpriced and probably no better than mid-range.
It's a pity about the 4-function DW seemingly not being good, as that sort
of tool could be useful for light use where recharging batteries doesn't
matter too much.
While certainly "nice enough", I think I prefer mine... I find things
like the small gab between chuck and nose actually makes it easier to
grip than the seamless streamlined affair they went for on the new ones.
The mate who bought the 14.4V also had a problem with his first three
batts only lasting about a year before failing to hold a decent charge.
Makita replaced all three FOC though, and they have been fine since.
They do seem to have more variation in the quality of their kit. I would
not be surprised if sometimes the better B&D models get "promoted" on
occasion! Having said that, some of their kit is first rate as well, so
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