Another thought on fuel efficiency...

[The Natural Philosopher]

The UK government of the day was absolutely committed to remaining in the EU.

But a future one might not be.

[Jethro_uk]

Yeah, well.

My Citroen had that. Only it would rely on reducing acceleration and gear braking (it was an auto). Worked "OK". Right up until the point where it would give up and leave the car to coast into whatever was slowing down in front.

To be fair, it would "ping".

As I have said to anyone who will listen, despite wanting a cruise control since I drove in the US, the only thing I use is it's speed limiter feature. Which was an absolute must-have when I changed cars 2 years ago. Much to the puzzlement of sales staff.

[Paul]

As far as I know, for regular cars, that's all it can do, is engine-brake to modulate the speed. I don't think it's tied into the braking system. As you say, it should "ping" and let go, in situations of a sudden deceleration.

There can be features on a car that can do more than that, but... perhaps not in a reliable way. Not everyone names their features the same way, which is part of the problem.

One of the reasons I don't use cruise in a car, is I need the adrenaline rush of driving, to keep me awake.

Paul

[NY]

Cruise control on a motorway works best if the car(s) in front are going the speed you want to go. I find it very difficult, with manual control or cruise control, to maintain a steady 70 (or whatever speed I want to do) because the car in front may slow down below the speed you want to go, and once you determine that fact, you can guarantee that the great long gap in the next lane to your right into which you would pull to overtake, has suddenly become crammed with cars, so you end up having to slow down to wait for a gap. Or else you take the opportunity to pull into it early, and then spend ages while you gradually overtake the cars which are going maybe 5-10 mph slower than your chosen speed. My preferred driving style, assuming no traffic in the next lane on the right, is to get fairly close to the slower car ahead and then pull out, so I'm not hogging Lane 2 for *too* long.

In theory, if everyone used cruise control and everyone chose to drive at the speed limit, there should be no need to overtake - apart from overtaking the lorries which are limited to less than 70 or are struggling up a slight incline.

[nib]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:51:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ...

Just push your foot down hard. On mine, I assume on many others, that hits a switch that disables the limiter and off you zoom...

nib

[me9]

I discovered recently on a couple of hot days that with the climate control on the petrol consumption increased greatly *unless* the system was set to recirculate. Otherwise you are cooling *all* the air from outside temperatures to the temperature you want inside. You don't do that in a house unless you leave the doors and windows wide open.

[Paul]

The 5 liter, are red meat for certain purposes. These people buy their jugs of milk at the corner store, in 5 liter pails as well.

For the following article, click the picture in the middle of the page, then use the left-right cursor keys, to move the frame left or right.

These too are red meat articles, the Cadillac products being closer to mainstream. But these aren't all from the same market segment. Some are too expensive to be sold in any quantity. These are in six liter country.

The engines are gradually getting smaller, because they have turbo on them.

As an example, a product was announced within the past week, that is "3 cylinder, 300 HP", which is not what you expect from a three cylinder car. You expect 75HP and a tiny cabin. And to please the kids who buy such stuff, it has a nice "tone" at idle. So it gurgles or whatever. That's not enough horsepower for everyone, but the car doesn't have a large curb weight either.

*******

This is what the poor people buy. The power trains on the two offerings are entirely different. The cheap one, you're relying on the power train warranty. The Ecoboost, you're buying the vehicle to keep it (since the implementation is conventional).

If you buy the F150, you're in blue sky country, price-wise.

The middle class in the USA is kinda hollowed out, and it's hard to say why all the marketing is for the $100K vehicles. Yes, there is a better profit margin on them (F150 options for example). But the volume might not be there to keep the company afloat, if you price higher than the customers can afford. What I was hearing in a web comment section was "length of bank loan == X years" for the more expensive offerings. Once the loan length passes 5 years, peoples eyes glaze over. Too risky then. The loan period is getting too close to the end of the power train warranty.

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As for the engines themselves, there are a few that do a decent job on miles per gallon. But many of them offer mediocre fuel economy. And it's been like that, for quite a few years too. This isn't a recent thing.

Paul

[The Natural Philosopher]

I think it rather depends on whether your desire is to slavishly obey speed limits or simply avoid points on your licence.

Cruise control works for me to keep me on the limit, there or thereabouts, with opportunities to brake and accelerate should I see fit.

The guy who slams on the brakes in front to turn left and THEN indicates, who really needs overtaking NOW to avoid an accident would need full throttle with ASL.

Cruise control is an assistance: ASL is an imposition.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Oh, the M25 will do that with or without cruise control

I find it a handy way along with my satnav to keep me inside speed limits *without having to look at the speedo*. Which IS dangerous/.

[alan_m]

Ford in UK/Europe have a 1 litre 3 cylinder engine with turbo rated at

155bhp - also de-rated to 125 and 90 bhp depending on car model/variant.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Well as I said in a previous post, my aim is not to keep to the speed limits, but keep my licence clean.

I will happily use 90mph overriding cruise control to get my car into a safe space with nothing ahead or behind or to the right before returning to legal speeds.

The myth that government limits are safe speeds, and that all you have to do to be safe is respect them, is a load of unadulterated wombat turds that I do not ascribe to.

My first priority is staying alive and staying away from other cars, cyclists and other pedestrians, the edges of the road, and medium sized furry animals is how you do that.

Speed has f*ck all to do with anything unless it makes the above harder to do.

The 20mph limit is predicated on the assumption that you will inevitably hit someone, and this way you don't kill them.

It would be better to teach people how not to hit them in the first place.

So under these conditions I drive for safety of myself firstly, of others secondly and my car thirdly. The government makes this far far harder, so I use a satnav and cruise control to avoid spending my time looking at a not very accurate speedo instead of the road and its edges

[The Natural Philosopher]

Possibly rather faster than you would have liked. I don't normally

*want* to unleash 285 bhp especially in a 30mph limit

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[The Natural Philosopher]

Well, 'greatly' is a moveable feast...and it all depends on how fast you are going Pissing around town at an average of 16mph or whatever, yes its going to really make a difference.

I arrange my routes to use quiet country roads with little traffic, and my local towns are small, so it harms me little.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I watch the occasional 'I do cars' blown engine tear down on you tube. I don't think he had greater contempt than for the Ford Ecoboost engine.

[SteveW]

The title of the thread says that it is about fuel efficiency. Above around 40mph, the extra fuel needed to overcome drag from open windows becomes greater than the extra fuel needed to drive the air-conditioning.

Generally I find that recirc is good on very hot days, as the interior temperature is lower than the outside temperature, so the air-con does not need to do as much cooling.

It is also good for demisting on winter days, as the interior air has already been dried, unlike the outside air.

[SteveW]

There is always some leakage in and there are hidden outlets (usually behind the wrap around sections of the rear bumper, so it takes a long time for the air to become "bad".

[SteveW]

There may have been some increased efficiency in air-con and there have definitely been improvments to body design for air-flow. It may be that the 40mph figure is too high for modern cars.

Yes - and trying to glue the quartlight latches back to the glass on later cars.

[SteveW]

With the heavier traffic of today and the consequent difficulties of getting from as far as the 4th lane during rush-hour, it is probably time that they added a 2 mile sign for the junctions.

[SteveW]

Except that it could still not brake fast enough if the HGV hit something very heavy and solid and came to an almost immediate stop. The car's electronics might have a very good reaction time, but physics still dictates the required braking distance/time.