I have purchased a large Fresnel lens so that my grandson and I can play at burning stuff. Of course there are any number of handheld magnifying glasses that we could use but working on the maxim that “bigger is better” I’ve got a 310mm lens.
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It would be nice to have a frame and handle to hold the lens with and I thought my son in law who has a couple of 3D printers could print something off for me but it seem his talents lie in the direction of downloading and printing off War Hammer figures and scenery. ;-)
The lens is only 1.5 mm thick but is quite stiff so I think a U-shaped “catapult-like” handle and lens support would work quite well but obviously it either needs a groove into which the lens can slot or be a two part construction that clamps the lens in place.
Any suggestions on how best to go about this and get a “printable file” that I can give him? I don’t have a pc and without a printer of my own I don’t see me getting into 3D design personally.
Tim
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jkn
That looks fun ... but I think I would just make something out of plywood. Cut a hole in it a bit smaller than the lens diameter, then have three or more wooden 'clips' spaced around the circumference, each slotted for the lens diameter and screwed down to the larger sheet.
Ignore this if you remain keen on a 3D printing approach...
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No mail
The learning curve for 3D design is very steep and I find that, having got part way up the curve, it's very easy to slide back down after not using it (F360) for a while. If you're already up-to-speed with a suitable bit of S/W, and have access to a 3D printer, then it should be a quick design. But, for your application, I'd suggest simply making something out of wood or metal - perhaps a couple of hours in the workshop compared to a long time staring at a screen.
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Tim+
I thought about this but as it happens following big garage clear-out, I don’t have any suitable wood. Isn’t it always the way? ;-)
It would also make it a bit heavy for a three year old.
Tim
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Andy Burns
Bear in mind, most 3D printer beds are 256 mm square or less.
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Matthias Czech
[Frame and handle for fresnel lens]
What about this approch?
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't know, wether it will work for a lens with 300mm diameter.
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John Rumm
I think I would go with some kind of handle, a number of "corners" and a small ratchet strap of some kind. So the strap passes through the end of the handle, which has a suitable profile to allow the edge of the lens to locate in it. Then it does a perimeter of the lens with additional segments that locate on the lens edge and support the strap. Tighten the strap to hole all the bits together. That way your printed parts can be much smaller.
(you could alternatively do interlocking segments of the perimeter as 3d prints - that way you don't need to print the whole round bit in one hit)
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John Rumm
You could also drill the edge of the lens and bold the handle it it. Then you don't need a frame at all.
You need a CAD like design package... you could use one of the "easy" online ones like tinkercad. Or you can download FreeCAD for Windows, Linux or Mac, then start watching some youtube tutorials.
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Joe
It looks to me like you need a nearby friend or relative with a PC and a printer. As said, most hobby printers aren't all that big, often limited to about an eight-inch cube. You'll need to do this in segments with maybe lugs to screw then together.
OpenSCAD uses geometric solids (or 2D extrusions) with positioning, add and subtract commands to make complex designs, I don't know if others are similar. You would need to come up with a paper drawing with that in mind, and *take* it to the helper. You both need to be sure of what's needed, and it's easy for poor communication to be an issue.
I'd go for the mechanical solution, though if you come up with a good
3D design you might be able to sell it back to the lens supplier.
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Joe
Not if he doesn't have a PC...
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Andy Burns
Yeah, don't try describing the requirement over the phone ... I'd imagine the results being like some game of pictionary gone wrong ...
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Theo
The first question to ask is how big is the print volume on his 3D printers? Many budget models print 256x256x256mm or thereabouts, which may mean you can't print a 310mm diameter thing in one go. That means you have to be more creative in terms of building something out of pieces that are small enough to fit in that volume.
I think most 3D design software wants to run on a computer (Windows/Linux/Mac) and not a phone/tablet, so if you only have those then it's going to be more annoying.
One way is to think about what you would build out of basic shapes like boxes, cylinders, spheres etc. For example, to hold the lens you might have a cylinder with another cylinder cut out of it, making a ring. Then cut out a second shorter but wider cylinder out of the middle, forming a groove around the inside of the ring. Get the diameters right and the lens will snap into the groove.
I tend to use OpenSCAD for this sort of thing as I find it easier to express the relations between dimensions in code than trying to make a GUI do what I want, eg:
// all dims in mm id = 310; od = 350; groove_d = 5; // depth of groove groove_w = 10; // width of groove thickness = 30;
$fn = 60; // circles are polygons with 60 sides
difference() { cylinder(h=thickness, d=od, center=true); // outer body cylinder(h=thickness, d=id, center=true); // cut out the middle cylinder(h=groove_w, d=id+groove_d, center=true); // cut out groove }
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But a lot of this kind of design needs some iteration - maybe the glass won't friction fit in the ring so the diameter needs tweaking, so you print the first prototype, find it needs adjustment and need to print a second. Having your own machine makes the roundtrip on this much faster than waiting for someone to print it for you. Although in this kind of size the print times will be fairly long and use a lot of plastic anyway.
So if it were me, I'd be looking at making something out of a plywood sandwich or similar, as jigsawing a big hole takes barely longer than making a small hole, and as you only need one of them you don't need repeatability - you can make adjustments to your one wooden one there and then, without having to reprint.
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The Natural Philosopher
Id print that diagonally across the bed with the handle sticking up
Trivial piece of design, But not without a decent screen and mouse
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Harry Bloomfield Esq
Long ago, I found a rather good lens glass, and botched a handle in a broadly similar way...
Except, I used a peace of that U profile plastic channel, sold for holding loose sheets of paper together. I heat formed it round the lens, the lens fitted into the U, with the surplus forming the handle. As an handle, I just slipped a peace of plastic pipe, over the channel, tightly clamping it together.
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Tim+
That did cross my mind which is why I thought a catapult style handle might be printable. The lens doesn’t need to be supported all the way round.
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Simon Simple
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Something like eBay 298064710922 or 298235134520, perhaps?
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John Rumm
That depends on how you interpret the "don't have a PC" statement - Some mac owners might make a similar statement...
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