On good days (weekends mostly), pursuing a full-time career here in
the city and living well seems attractive. By the middle of the next
week, all I desire is a hut in the wilderness.
I need a job which provides for a middle-class lifestyle, that I
could do part of the year sometimes if neccessary. Plumber, nurse,
HVAC tech, electrician, organic farmer, heavy equipment mechanic and
commercial fisher all come to mind.
I need advice, validation or correction.
True - the jobs he mentioned require more than a little work (that is not
what I inteneded as the meaning). However he seemed to be looking for a job
that payed so well and he would only have to do it when he had to and live
off the money he made the rest of the year and thus only having to do very
littlle work each year.
With his skill set, and if he dresses and grooms really well, and has
professional billing forms, good tools and a clean truck...he can earn a
middle class life style working under 30 hours a week easily...even under 20
hours.. Why? Just bill what an employer would have to if they hired
him..thats usually 2x to 3x the salary (to cover the business expenses and
insurance etc)...working alone on small jobs most guys dont have any of
that... I bill at $75 to $100/hr and work under 25 hours a week for a
suitable life style. It can be done.
But not as a hippie...that pay 10 bucks. You have to put on a professional
This is turtle.
There is two professions that come to mine and they are Male Nurse or Get a
degree in Business Management with the Hospital Management as the major.
There is just a few colleges that have Hospital Management as a Major.
And don't get into the HVAC or the refrigeration business for it just plain
Sucks. I been in it for 40 years.
Been there done that as well, now its about 10% of my operation. HVACR
seems to attract bright nerd types, who, like my own tendency, work cheap if
necessary to ge the job...the net effect is jobs going for subsistence level
Other trades dont seem to have the problem. Electricians dont I do that
With diversity you can afford to loose a lot of jobs, just quote em at good
money, and if you loose it, no problem you are busy with your other trades
anyway. thats my current tactic...its not fool proof, but it beat hell out
of praying for the phone to ring.
Good plan... especially with whats ahead for the US economy as jobs by the
millions are going to china...thats going to chain react down the food
chain...diversity is a good thang.
Buy tools...be well equipped, dress very well... if you dress or groom
poorly you will get $6 to $10 an hour....if you dress with one size larger
than you should wear heavy twill sport shirts starched and ironed, and
levi's as tight as you can fit into, and boots (not tennis shoes)...and
short hair...your low range will be $20/hr and most that fit the discription
make $50 to $75/hr...you need a clean pick up truck or van at the very
least.... a dirty rig will take 20 dollars an hour off of what you can bill.
thats just how it is.
Be self employed ...you have the broad range skills to pull that off fast...
just one home nursing customer would give you the base you need and thats a
hot field these days. Have some billing forms printed up with your name on
them, Worry about licensing later..its not needed for small jobs.
You could also start by applying to rural or ocean side resorts as the site
maintenance man...then take side jobs around town...those jobs are worth 20
an hour ... keep looking you will find one. talent is getting scarce these
days...then start building a side line of side jobs, when that comes close
to your wage job, quite your wage job.
You will live a long and happy life with that sort of career. But you have
to look, dress and operate like a pro to do well...
New advice then... the trades are no competing in a world market, which
means starvation wages. Use your trade job to get your ass though school
in a profession, law, medicine or at least business... if you want to work
with your hands find books on buying and fixing up trashed realestate.
But the trades jobs will be hard hit next as the white collar and
manufacturing jobs got moved to africa, china, India and eastern
europe..those people will swarm home depot as they get into the handy man
bidness and trades, trades than now welcome illegal mexican and chinese
aliens willing to work for less than your rent per month.
So you need to find a way to float your boat *above that mess.
I'm glad I'm in Higher Ed because it is one of the few areas the US is
seen as a magnet for foreigners rather than a sector that can be moved
overseas. Healthcare is another field and will be my second career
(heading to medical school). No other "safe" fields come to mind.
Can anyone think of any others?
I do firmly believe in doing what one loves BUT there are some harsh
realities coming down the road in the next 20 years.
Apparently, I didn't make myself clear in my previous post. I don't
expect a part-time job to pay for a middle-class lifestyle and neither
am I afraid of hard work. I want a well paid profession which allows
In that case and especially if you live in a northern climate then look to
the construction trades and the apprenticeship programs many unions (ack - I
can't believe I said that!) offer (electricians , pipefitters,etc). In many
of these trades you work a lot during the summer and have a good portion of
the "off-season" off (at least around here). Most of the jobs you mentioned
are all year steady jobs mostly.
Fixer upper real estate for big money at the low skill and training
range...you can do joint ventures with sellers and use thier money.
Just above that the trades but only in the high end aspects...industrial
controls for instance not just straight wiring.
Above that ny business where you hire others. (but that can be a strain)
Above that the professions. You can arrange any of these to work as you
A JOB...well unless its in the professions, is at the bottom of the scale,
even professional jobs in my view are a serious disaster for many people.
Thank you all for your help. I've decided to enroll in a 9 month
course in underwater welding starting Sep 2004. I'd have gone for the
dental hygienist program but I'm afraid I can't do it while working
part-time. Perhaps a few years later.
On 21 Jan 2004 10:35:04 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org (Raul) wrote:
You can actually combine those, if you specialize in dental
work on people who have drowned .....
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