Um, well, think different: You didn't
As the licensing terms change, your 'purchase' can vanish
Remember when you decided to buy, rather than rent, that movie online? We have some bad news for you – you didn't.
Biologist Anders Gonçalves da Silva was surprised this week to find three movies he had purchased through iTunes simply disappeared one day from his library. So he contacted Apple to find out what had happened.
And Apple told him it no longer had the license rights for those movies so they had been removed. To which he of course responded: Ah, but I didn't rent them, I actually bought them through your "buy" option.
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 4:11:24 PM UTC-4, email@example.com wr
Apparently you can keep it if you download the movie. But most people
probably aren't doing that, because they watch the movie on multiple
devices, including TVs, tablets and phones that have limited storage capaci
compared to a desktop PC. Sounds like a nasty surprise that Apple should
warn about upfront. Also, you'd think they could at least send out
notification about movies that they are about to pull so that people could
download them. But downloading doesn't entirely solve it either, because
many people won't have a drive/device to download it to their TV.
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 5:01:15 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
I guess another possibility is just moving it from the itunes place to
another cloud storage? Can the typical streaming player for a TV pull
a movie from anywhere you tell it in the cloud? If so, that kind of works.
Except that while many places give you 10 or 50 gb for free, that isn't
going far to store blu ray movies. It becomes kind of nuts too. Instead
of Apple holding one 25gb copy of a movie for a million people, now you
have a million people making copies and storing it in the cloud? I would
think that won't work for people that want to store anything more than a
few. The cloud storage charges probably kills you.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:30:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
I bet the "I" cloud will not let you store a movie you are only
licensed to steam unless you can remove the Apple water mark from the
Considering the relationship Apple, Google and the other providers
have with MPAA and RIAA, I don't think I would be putting bootleg
files there in the first place.
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 9:25:12 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I looked at a couple of tech sources on it, as well as the original article
all say that not only can you download it, but that if you do you can
retain it indefinitely. Downloading makes sense, people have been doing
that with movies to watch on their PC or tablets on planes, trains and
in cars for example.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
I am not an Apple guy but I know Amazon and Netflix have specific
language in their EULA that specifies what can be downloaded, how it
can be played (basically only through their DRM compliant player) and
how long you can keep it.
You can bet your ass, if they lose the license for that show, it will
stop playing on their player.
Of course there are plenty of programs that allow piracy by capturing
streams as a normal video format and probably to convert those
proprietary/encrypted shows but as Nixon said "that would be wrong".
The same is true of the storage on DRM compliant DVRs too. If you take
the shows from a DSS or cable DVR over to your PC, they are useless
gibberish and I haven't seen that code cracked.
"4.5. Some Netflix content is available for temporary download and
offline viewing on certain supported devices ("Offline Titles").
Limitations apply, including restrictions on the number of Offline
Titles per account, the maximum number of devices that can contain
Offline Titles, the time period within which you will need to begin
viewing Offline Titles and how long the Offline Titles will remain
accessible. Some Offline Titles may not be playable in certain
countries and if you go online in a country where you would not be
able to stream that Offline Title, the Offline Title will not be
playable while you are in that country."
Amazon is even more specific.
"2. COMPATIBLE DEVICES
In order to stream or download Digital Content, you will need to use a
personal computer, portable media player, or other device that meets
the system and compatibility requirements that we establish from time
to time (a "Compatible Device"). Some Compatible Devices may be used
only to stream Digital Content, some may be used only to download
Digital Content, and some may be used to stream and download Digital
Content. We may change the requirements for Compatible Devices from
time to time and, in some cases, whether a device is (or remains) a
Compatible Device may depend on software or systems provided or
maintained by the device manufacturer or other third parties.
Accordingly, devices that are Compatible Devices at one time may cease
to be Compatible Devices in the future. The Amazon entity that
provides you the Amazon Prime Video mobile app may be different than
the Amazon entity that provides you the Service"
They go on to say
"Content owners use Microsoft PlayReady™ content access technology to
protect their intellectual property, including copyrighted content.
This service uses PlayReady technology to protect certain content. If
the PlayReady technology fails to protect the content, content owners
may require the service to restrict or prevent the delivery of
protected content to specified devices or PC software applications. In
certain cases, you may be required to upgrade the PlayReady technology
to continue to access the service's content. If you decline such an
upgrade, you will not be able to access content that requires the
On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 3:03:23 PM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
How logical. It's Apple so go to Netflix and Amazon for the information. I
can see why you frequently are off the rails. If you check with Apple and t
he tech people familiar with Apple, they all say the same thing. If you buy
the movies and download them, you can continue to watch them, even if they
are no longer available at the Apple store. The story about the guy compla
ining does not say anything different.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
Apple store. The story about the guy complaining does not say anything different.
Maybe their "genius" did not read their EULA
" - Apple’s delivery of Content does not transfer any promotional use
rights to you, and does not constitute a grant or waiver of any rights
of the copyright owners.
- You can use Content from up to five different Apple IDs on each
- It is your responsibility not to lose, destroy, or damage Content
once downloaded. We encourage you to back up your Content regularly.
- You may not tamper with or circumvent any security technology
included with the Services.
- You may access our Services only using Apple’s software, and may not
modify or use modified versions of such software.
- Video Content requires an HDCP connection."
On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 5:02:29 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
t of their
I can see why you frequently are off the rails. If you check with Apple an
d the tech people familiar with Apple, they all say the same thing. If you
buy the movies and download them, you can continue to watch them, even if t
hey are no longer available at the
Good to see you're finally finding the correct info. And nothing there is i
n any way inconsistent with what I've posted from other sources, which is t
hat if you buy a movie and download it, you can continue to play it even if
Apple no longer has it available at their store.
They are protecting the intellectual property as in you can not make
unauthorized copies and you can only watch that movie within the
license granted to the company that owns it. The people who need to
correct their language are those who say you are "buying" it. You are
only buying the authorized use.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 03:10:58 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
I am not the one who brought up the "language" issue.
You are correct tho. The only thing you buy when you get a DVD is the
plastic disk. The content still belongs to the studio. If the disk
goes bad, you are screwed (as anyone with a bad cassette, 8 track or
vinyl record was). Copying, even to simply back up the content is
illegal. So is "sampling".
The only thing that is legal is copying content off the air, for your
own personal use, thanks to the Sony Betamax decision.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:01:09 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
They make most of these kind of things "stream only" and I know there
are capture programs that will copy them, but it is beyond the scope
of your license to use it. (AKA digital piracy)
Once you have it, playing it on your TV is trivial tho. You can either
plug a PC into the TV or get a smart PC that plays just about any
media format you can find (from a USB drive of some sort).
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