Reports to GOOGLE , and while I have nothing I particularly need to hide ,
it's nobody's damn business what I do , where I go , and what I look at on
the internet . Didn't you ever wonder how those web pages you visit tailor
those ads just for you ? How did they know you drive a yugo and wear size 48
waist jeans ? It's because they track your browsing habits , web pages , and
for all I know they track your keystrokes .
As I said , I value my privacy and what I do is none of their business . I
go as far as using a program that blocks most of the ads on web pages too .
I also change the channel when commercials come on TV ...
Instincts may tell you not to trust HB...but logic says otherwise. Many ppl with businesses use their PC for everything: surfing; bookkeeping; payroll and such...
M$ agreed to continue updating Windows embedded AND Windows XP for those folks (and I believe XP in China).
I'm also "testing" the installation...and so far, so good!
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:04:53 AM UTC-4, BenDarrenBach wrote:
That's a new claim and I believe it is false. The only thing I've seen is
that MSFT is continuing to update the "Embedded" version of XP which is
a specific product with a very different and specific installed base.
It is where Embedded XP has been integrated and used as part of
a specific dedicated product, eg cash register, ATM, etc. It's not the typical business computer running XP and being used for surfing, payroll, etc.
Note that it includes EOL for enterprise, small, medium businesses as well
as home users.
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:40:25 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
Also Windows Update is specific as to "Update for Windows XP" and "Windows embedded".
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:56:12 AM UTC-4, BenDarrenBach wrote:
What exactly is your point? You posted:
"Instincts may tell you not to trust HB...but logic says otherwise. Many ppl with businesses use their PC for everything: surfing; bookkeeping; payroll and such...
M$ agreed to continue updating Windows embedded AND Windows XP for those folks (and I believe XP in China)."
The link you just provided is just a link to the hack, which is old
news. What you posted and I replied to was your above claim, that MSFT was continuing to update WIN XP for business PC's. That isn't true. They are
not updating XP for PCs, only for products that contain the Embedded XP
OS. If you buy a PC for your business, it never came with Embedded XP
to begin with. If you bought a cash register system, an ATM, etc
then it might have Embedded XP.
| Instincts may tell you not to trust HB...but logic says otherwise.
It's not a matter of trust, faith, or logic. XP is no longer
supported. XPE is not the same thing. Microsoft has no
reason to make sure XPE patches are compatible with XP.
They do, on the other hand, have motivation to create
a situation of, "Woops! Well we did tell you not to use
the XPE patches."
Support and no support is a big difference. With support
they promise not to break compatibility. With no support
there's no promise of any kind. If they release an XPE
patch incompatible with XP and it destroys your install,
that's your problem.
| Many ppl with businesses use their PC for everything: surfing;
bookkeeping; payroll and such...
| M$ agreed to continue updating Windows embedded AND Windows XP for those
They didn't "agree" to. They're selling support contracts,
starting at $250,000/year, at about $200/year per PC.
So yes, they're still making patches for XP. But those are
not the patches you're downloading with this hack. The fact
that there are people paying for support is all the more
reason for MS to break XP with XPE patches.
And as has been mentioned already in this thread:
What's the value in taking the risk? You shouldn't be
allowing IE online in the first place. How many other
patches are likely to be relevant? Just about any
vulnerability is likely to be coming through IE. A few
may also come through MS Office, which is a good
reason not to use that. But if you're not using MS
software online there's little to worry about. (I haven't
got an MS patch since SP3 and I'm not worried.)
*This month's patches are not even relevant.*
This month's patches are a good example, as
HomeGuy lists them. One is for IE. (Again, no one should
be using IE online. All the more so if you're running
Vista or earlier, because MS doesn't even have a
version of IE for those systems anymore. IE is not a
browser in the normal sense. It's best viewed as a
Windows component that is vulnerable if connected
The other 2 patches are for privilege elevation.
For the vast majority of people using XP there's no
such thing as privilege elevation. They're already running
without restrictions! So those patches are meaningless.
One patch deals with .Net remoting. There's
no reason to even install .Net if it's not needed by some
program. There's certainly no reason to let it run remotely.
That's as risky as installing Java and letting it run through
your browser. Even if you've done all that, all that's at risk
is privilege elevation, which is almost certainly meaningless
on your PC.
The other patch is for a bug that allows
someone who has already logged on locally to go from
lackey mode (common user restrictions) to Admin mode
by running particular code. All of the code that's running
on your XP machine right now is almost certainly in Admin
mode. Nobody runs XP in lackey mode. In fact, in many
cases there are no restrictions possible. My XP is installed
to FAT32 file system, as many copies of XP were. Only
an NTFS file system allows for user restrictions. IF you
have XP installed on NTFS, and IF you have kids who you've
set up with a restricted user account, then they *could*
bypass those restrictions if they can figure out how to
run the hack. Is that worth risking your system for?
| Some other rhetoric:
You keep posting more links to the same hack.
Is that the reason you think the hack is a good
idea -- because it's mentioned a lot online?
from your own cite
In short, you use the updates at your own risk.
But just because these POSReady updates will probably work
with your Windows XP machine doesn't mean you should do it.
Yes, Microsoft has a vested interest in getting you to
upgrade to Windows 7 or 8 - but, to be fair, unless you have
a really important reason for sticking with XP, it really
does make sense to upgrade to Windows 7.
If you do use the hack, don't assume that your XP machine
will be safe from exploits. There's also every chance that,
one day, one of the updates will make your system unbootable
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