On 4/21/2016 11:49 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
*Vic* gave me two links (which I acknowledged) to some models
from two vendors.
I've no idea which "house names" are made by QINGDAO YICHUN METAL
MANUFACTURE CO. so can't make even a GUESS as to how many of
the EIGHT wheelbarrows listed are sold under "more recognizable"
names -- nor where they sit quality-wise relative to other offerings.
The *one* wheelbarrow in the second link is sold at ONE store
in town -- 20 miles from here. And, again, no way to gauge
how it sits relative to other offerings.
Are these "exceptions"? Or, "The Rule"? (in the latter case,
does that mean 200, 160, 100, or 80kg is "The Rule"? :> )
On 4/20/2016 4:22 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Set the wheelbarrow on any surface you like. Imagine it need not be
moved -- or would be moved by someone of superhuman strength.
The question I am asking is: what sort of weight load would you expect
the wheelbarrow to be capable of handling? You can buy them in many
"manufacturing grades", built of many different types of materials,
But, aside from a volumetric capacity -- and the weight of the wheelbarrow
itself -- there is nothing to tell you what the limit (or even "typical")
weight loading they can support.
Dirt, sand and concrete come to mind as examples of the heavier sorts of
"loads". You probably would NOT use a wheelbarrow to lug around steel
blocks -- but might for cinder/concrete blocks (ditto stone).
*If* you loaded a wheelbarrow to capacity with (for example) concrete,
would you discover that the wooden "arms" would snap if you tried to
heft the load? Or, the tire's seal give way?
A cheap wheelbarrow readily claims the same volumetric capacity as
an expensive one. Presumably, the more expensive has other capacities
that the cheap one can't match -- yet these are never spelled out
(numerically -- saying things like "all metal construction" doesn't
mean anything quantifiable)
I think you have to apply about 1/3 of the weight on the fulcrum in
lifting force, so there's reasonable limits.
I've got a cheap wheelbarrow, and only move about 250lbs in it. It
gets tipsy beyond that. A well designed wheelbarrow will basically
carry what you can handle - until something breaks.
Think of it as a crowbar.
The limiting factor will usually be the tire itself and that will be
stamped on the side wall. When you are using the wheelbarrow correctly
virtually all of the load will be on the tire.
A 5/8" steel axle might deflect a little but it will not break and if
the handles are hardwood they are not breaking either. That is why I
said "commercial grade"
There are some pretty cheap wheelbarrows out there.
some wheelbarrows are not very sturdy. we have
one of those that Ma picked up for cheap from some
we also have two other contractor grade wheel
barrows that were/are used for much heavier loads.
on a good surface i can fill the contractor
grade ones completely, but you have to be skilled
enough to not dump them. i'm not sure how heavy
crushed limestone or pea gravel is per load, but
it's pretty heavy, i've moved a lot of tons of
the el cheapo one i don't even like to use...
the tire is narrow and the frame is wobbly.
they now make some wheelbarrows with two wheels!
i would like to get one of those some day when the
rest of these wear out and get recycled or something...
Obviously addressing different requirements and
"Aggregate" products tend to be about 1T/cu yd. If you
have a 6 cu ft wheelbarrow (which is a "larger size"),
that's about 400+ pounds, fully loaded. But, once
you address limits on fill to avoid spillage (once you
tip the wheelbarrow to move it), you're probably down in
the ~4 cu ft ballpark (250 pounds).
Of course, the machine supports some of that load for
you, in transit. So, "you" can transport more than
"you" can carry!
[I've moved 300 pound refrigerators, 700 pound gun safes,
etc.; I assure you , I can't CARRY anywhere near that sort
Pneumatic tires also tend to "fail" (the seal breaks)
when twisted or leaned (sideways) too heavily. This
leaves you with a loaded wheelbarrow and a tire that
you CAN'T inflate (without taking the load off the
OTOH, they tend to be better on soft/uneven surfaces.
Yes, they also make 4 wheel carts, ATV drawn conveyances, bobcats,
back hoes, etc. :>
[I've a friend with a "personal back hoe"; another with a front
loader. Sad NOT to see them in CONSTANT use!]
i wouldn't say it is that much less, i filled
it usually within just a few inches from the top
in front so that when i lifted the wheelbarrow
it shifted just enough to be full. this is
important when you are moving tons and tons, you
really don't want yet one more load... :)
for sure! that's why i used it. for small
jobs i carry a few buckets in the wheelbarrow
or even just carry them. depends upon what time
of the year it is and how in shape i am. right
now, the wheelbarrow carries stuff.
we have too much uneven stuff to even contemplate
something like a hard tire.
they do have these for rent... i am very much doing
the gardening i do as physical exercise with some
meaning behind it so i tend to dig with a shovel or
haul things by hand. noisy machines would have been
useful at first, but now everything is in place so
such a machine has little use for us. not that i
could not find something fun to do... but the
manager might object. :)
Understood. I moved 20T of aggregate into the back yard...
*after* 6T of topsoil. And, another 6T for the front yard.
There is a very deliberate calculation that you make when you
trade off weight of "this load" vs. "yet another trip".
OTOH, having to go back and rake up stuff that spilled
along the way is yet another "effort" to be factored in.
Nowadays, I only use the wheelbarrow to mix cement/concrete.
Any digging that I do can pile the soil up adjacent to the
hole instead of having to MOVE it any distance (a shower
curtain or tarp ON the aggregate helps keep the soil from
blending in with the aggregate to complicate cleanup).
I learned the "practical limit" for the pneumatic tire unit
The Hard Way. I.e., that "extra trips" took less time and
effort than "bigger loads" -- esp when the tire could so
dramatically deflate under load.
Had I the need to do it over, I'd consider spreading
planks on the surface and riding over those.
[Or, a bobcat, like the neighbor did]
I've dug out all of the (large!) root crowns of all of the
trees I felled, here. The largest resulted in a net deficit
of almost 7T of soil (to account for the "wood" I removed
from the ground). You can't really use a motorized tool
for this as you never have "a clear shot". And, can't get
*under* the root crown to address those tap roots.
I also watched a neighbor using a small back hoe to trench
for a new electric service "make a mistake" and catch the
natural gas line. Doesn't take much to realize there are
extra risks (potential costs) associated with those labor
I would consider a back hoe to install the cistern. There
shouldn't be MUCH there that would complicate the digging.
And, get double-duty out of it by trenching for the french
drain at the same time.
As I get older, the idea of that much digging doesn't
appeal to me... (if it EVER DID!)
The only thing that comes to mind might be iron for
one reason or another. That probably wouldn't be something
Joe Homeowner would do.
Farmers wouldn't generally haul anything too heavy. They have
all sorts of equipment sitting around.
The only tning that comes to mind as far as sturdiness would
be shipping weight. It wouldn't be all that accurate but might
serve as a rough guide.
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Maybe "scrap iron". I can't imagine tradesmen using a wheelbarrow
to haul any (many?) metal things as metal pieces are often inconvenient
sizes for a wheelbarrow.
Yes. Ditto for large-scale landscapers. And, nothing liquid
as it would slosh around making a wheelbarrow a poor choice.
OTOH, someone might put a vessel IN a wheelbarrow and use it
to transport the contents of the vessel, that way. But, the
size and shape of the wheelbarrow limit the type of vessel that
might be used. E.g., you wouldn't try to move a 55G barrel
as it simply wouldn't fit (55G = ~450 pounds)
Concrete blocks (or bricks) could probably be piled higher than
something that "sags" (like WET concrete). So, you might
be able to get a heavier load (than concrete) with that sort
I guess I can also look at what capacities bobcats can handle
and use that as a ballpark figure for the high end of what
might be expected of a wheelbarrow (specious reasoning as
you might opt to use a bobcat for reasons OTHER THAN "too
heavy for a wheelbarrow")
Hmmm.... that's another possible source of information.
The list of models that Vic provided includes a "double
wheeled" unit rated at 320kg (700 pounds). Hard to
imagine someone making a unit that can't be *moved*
by a human!
I have a neighbor who works for the state ("safety").
I'll check with him when he returns (I think he's been deployed
to TX or CO or one of those other places getting hammered by
the weather, lately).
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