I am looking at dropping Verizon and getting DSL Extreme. Still
checking them out, but I'm wondering if I go with them, wouldn't the
connection still be thru Verizon? And if so, why would speed be any
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:35:04 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
I'm not so sure about the phone company hardware part. The phone company
may or may not be providing the hardware on the other end. Back around 2000
independent internet companies were offering DSL where they put their equipment
in at the far end of the line. But back then they were doing it because the
local phone companies were slow to roll out DSL and they had an opportunity to
do it, because deregulation allowed it. They used the existing phone company
2 pair copper lines, terminating in their equipment. I had that kind of service here for a few years, until cable internet arrived.
What's going on today, IDK. The company would know the answer in the actual
situation. I agree the performance is going to depend on the existing wires
and the eqpt. Probably a lot more on the wires, as DSL reached it's limit
from a hardware standpoint long ago. If one company is using eqpt that is
15+ years old, while the other is using stuff that came out 5 or 10 years ago,
that might make a difference. How long the line is, how many taps there are
on it, how many gauge changes, etc all factor in to the max speed.
A simple question that might make all this irrelevant is what speed does
he have today? Verizon what? FIOS? DSL? If he has FIOS, then he almost
certainly has an order of magnitude higher bandwith than he's going to get
with DSL, regardless of who provides it. There are various sites where you
can do a speed test, ookla being one.
And therein lies the problem. The speed restrictions are on the front
end from your house to the switching gear at the local phone company
terminal. It is that lcal terminal that sends the signal to the
independent DSL company.
On Sunday, October 5, 2014 8:44:43 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The question is if that DSL endpoint, typically at a CO, is always
owned and supplied by the local phone company or if an independent
company can use their own equipment on there. My understanding from
years ago, crica 2000 was that these independent DSL providers could
put their own equipment in, because deregulation allowed it. I thought
at the time that it was a bit strange, because you would think it
would result in chaos.
But then my own experience seemed consistent with that. Verizon is
the local phone company. Back in 2000, Verizon did not have DSL service
in this area. I wanted it and they could not provide it. They did have
it in other nearby areas. Yet an indendent did offer it and I had it installed. So, it's seems rather odd that Verizon has the equipment on
the line for the independent to use, but won't use it themselves to give
me service. Do I know for sure, who actually bought, spec'd, installed
the linecard in the CO? No, but it kind of looks like the independent did
it. But as I said, that model seems to have holes in it too, as you would
think that chaos would insue at the CO.
So, you might be right that the local phone company actually speds, puts
in the line card in the CO. But then I have a hard time understanding
why Verizon would not offer the service themselves, but instead put in
their line card for someone else. But the deregulation world is probably
a strange universe.
In any case, I agree that it's the wire primarily and then the eqpt at
both ends that determine what he's going to get. And if other services
are available at competitive rates, I'd probably go with them. AFAIK,
the independent DSL providers are going by the wayside as other, better
technologies replace DSL. And even with DSL, these independents are
squeezed by the existing phone company. I see it primarily of use in
those areas where there isn't a better option. I sure wouldn't be
trading off cable internet or FIOS if it was available, to save $10
a month or something.
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 6:09:51 PM UTC-4, Guv Bob wrote:
You can do a speed test on what you have now at sites like Ookla.
If you know the length of your line, you can also get an idea of
the theoretical, typical speeds you can get with that line. I did
that back in 2000 when I had to do DSL. IDK what resources there are
today, but DSLreports was a good place to start. I would say that
chances are you're not going to get any significant better speed.
The biggest factor is the line, it's length, etc and that isn't changing.
Unless maybe the modem you have is old, the new service provides a new,
better one, etc. But you can probably get a new modem out of V too.
What's the motivation to switch? Cable internet not available?
Just had another thought.
If you have DSL now from Verizon and still on copper you might
experience what happened to me and have Verizon replace their old copper
A few years ago, I had Comcast internet and TV but 2 copper Verizon
lines. The copper lines were a mess and Verizon asked permission to
replace them with FIOS. They have to ask permission because they
burrowed through my lawn and put box in house then connected to house
copper. I since dropped one copper line in favor of Comcast's triple
play. Still keep one for business which is paid by a client.
Interesting is that my in house copper is still used for both phone
I've been a DSL Extreme client for almost a decade now. One outage
in those 10 years; 5 static IP's, bridged not PPPOE. Good firm.
They leverage the existing POTS line, in my case AT&T.
A bit more expensive, but worth every penny to me.
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