The above was obviously written by someone that is clueless.
What great savings is there in a urinal that requires a drain, but
no water supply? A flush valve isn't going to add a big premium
to the cost of the thing. I bet the waterless one costs MORE than
a regular one. And anyone experienced in plumbing or building
knows that it's usually the drain system that is more of a problem
than the water supply. With PEX for example, you can easily
run water almost anywhere. A drain, vent, etc is more
As to the question at hand as to why not urinals in more homes,
I think it comes down to a few things:
Bathrooms in most homes don't have the additional space.
You already have a toilet that gets cleaned regularly. Adding
a urinal is just one more thing to clean.
It would be viewed as unusual by many people, affecting resale.
I think the example of them being installed in high end homes
with his and hers bathrooms is an example of where they can
make sense. I would not mind having one, but unless I had
a his/hers thing and plenty of room I would not put one in for
the above reasons.
You should talk.
There is nothing more gross than a woman's vagina.
It's teeming with microbes of many different strains.
And it's constantly oozing secretions on which bacteria can act,
producing nauseating odors.
-- Steven L.
I don't know what the problem is, cats are eaten just like dogs are in
other cultures. ^_^
If you intend to meet the needs of average height or tall teens/adults,
why bother? Just use the sink and you will need less than a quart of
water to "flush" afterwards. We're so prudish/squeamish in this
society! If you have young boys or the facilities will be used by
frequent guests, that's a different situation.
Ok, this is getting strange.
I can't believe the number of people mentioning or proposing the use of
the sink as a urinal instead or in place of having a real urinal.
Do you Americans really do this?
Do you or would you consider using the bathroom sink as a sort-of
When I said (in another thread) that your ways are strange to us, I had
no idea how true that was...
I'm always amazed at the waterfree urinals I see in some places. Totally
odorfree. And looking at their cost (Amazon F-1000 = $340), they may be
very cost efficient in a home with a few males and high water costs.
Have you added in the cost of the 5-10 ft^2 (and wall space)? How about three
or four times that, for each bathroom? Our master bathroom is almost large
enough but there is no wall space free to hang it. The others, forget it.
It's true, it a purely scientific sense, not a practical one. From the wiki
<< Urine is sterile until it reaches the urethra where the epithelial cells
lining the urethra are colonized by facultatively anaerobic Gram negative
rods and cocci. Subsequent to elimination from the body, urine can acquire
strong odors due to bacterial action, and in particular the release of
asphyxiating ammonia from the breakdown of urea. In medieval times clothes
were stored in a garderobe (literally 'to guard ones robes') close to the
toilet shaft because this ammonia would kill the fleas. The term garderobe
became a euphemism for toilet for that reason.>>
As a teen I used to work in a stable in NYC with about 40 horses. If the
hay wasn't mucked out daily the stench of ammonia would be so powerful it
could knock you down. My folks made me change my work clothes before they'd
let me back in the house. The cat I saved from the stable well stank of
horse piss and ammonia for about a week after I brought him home. Put a
horseshit covered 20p nail all the way through from the bottom of my boot
out through the top. It's quite a surprise to look down and see something
sticking up out of your boot top. Solved the problem of removing it by
getting woozy and just falling off it. ER treatment consisted of a tetanus
shot, an X-ray and a long, long soak in a bowl full of PhisoHex.
On the plus side, I didn't have any fleas, though! I did get ticks, which
apparently are very fond of horses. Discovered one of them when I went to
use the urinal, FWIW, attached to the end of my you-know-what and a few
others making their way up my leg, even though I was wearing cowboy boots.
Was naive enough to go to the ER where the nurse said "Didn't you have any
Forgot to add that although the nail didn't break any bones, that foot has
become something of a barometer, aching when the weather's about to change.
The horses came to mind because I had just read a news story about how the
PETAn's and others are trying to have the NYC hansom carriage rides shut
down because it's "cruel to horses." I'm all for treating animals decently
but horses have been earning a living pulling things ever since there were
things that needed pulling. Why do they need protection from something they
were born and bred to do?
I learned a lot working at one NYC's only horse stables as I am sure those
that care for the hansom cab horses do. At some point someone has to
declare that animals aren't people. Next thing you know the PETAn's will be
demanding the right to vote for horses. Cynical New Yorkers claim that the
only thing driving this recently reignited protest is that a real estate
developer wants the very valuable land the stables are situated on. An
ASPCA doctor claims she was coerced into writing a negative report about
When I drove hay wagons through the streets of Staten Island the horses
didn't seem to mind - they would run the route themselves if we had let
them. There was always a stream of little kids coming out to look at the
Clydesdale teams we ran (Punch & Judy, Bonnie & Clyde, Jack & Jill and a few
more my poor fading memory can't recall).
I am certain that for many, it was the only time in their lives they had
ever been 10 feet away from a real horse. Yes, we had accidents. People
got hurt, horses got hurt, cars got banged up but it wasn't often and it
certainly didn't justify shutting the whole operation down as the PETAn's
are trying to do to the cab drivers. The real irony is that if the hansom
cab rides are forced to shut down, a lot of the horses running that route
will likely be put down. Yeah, PETA, show us how much you love animals.
Better dead than alive and doing what I think they clearly enjoy doing. I
say that only because I know what it takes to get a horse to do something it
DOESN'T want to do.
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