On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:27:08 -0700, Steve B wrote:
I'm trying. I'm trying. :)
My husband fills my car with gas all the time from Costo runs he makes with
his car. He fills up his sedan plus four five-gallon cans at the Costco
pump. The advantage is he waits on line once but gets to fill up two cars.
The advantage to me is I never ever have to fill my gas.
So I'm also interested in the law. The Costco gas attendant can't possibly
not be seeing him do this for years. They never say anything. Neither has
anyone else. You'd think a cop or two would have been on line waiting at
some point or another. Or the trucker who fills up the huge gas tanks would
Looking for the law, I scoured the Caltrans (fancy name for the California
DOT) web site for hours. I can't find a single document that says what the
law is for transport of gasoline in portable storage containers for
I'll keep looking. It frustates me that something so simple is so hard to
find the law for.
i suppose you could devolve to an old fashioned method. do you have a phone?
perhaps you could call them up.
frankly, if it's not a citable law, they can't write a ticket for it, making
the limit be...as much as you want.
there really isn't a law or regulation for everything, even though it
sometimes seems so.
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:15:21 -0700, chaniarts wrote:
Whom would you call?
I can imagine the phone call now ....
"Hello, Caltrans switchboard ... what extension please?"
-> Lisa: "Um... I don't know what extension. I just want to look up a law".
"What extension please, maaam"
--> Lisa: "Um ... I don't know. I'd like to ask a question about gas laws"
"I asked the question first, maaam. What extension please?"
--> Lisa: "Um ... I really don't know whom I want to talk to. Someone who
can answer a question about how many gallons of gasoline you can carry in
the trunk of your car"
"What extension please"
And so on ... like a broken record ...
We have a really good info line here. I can call 311 and get almost any
question, regarding the city, answered. It's pretty impresssive. Another
thing is, most, if not all, local and state statutes are on the internet. He
could Google it. May take some time.
I posted a few references for California legal search sites.
None contained ANY California law regarding the transportation and storage
of 5-gallon jugs of gasoline for personal use.
Many contained transportation of 120 gallons or more; and OSHA sites
contained regulations for the work place; but so far, nobody on this planet
can cite a specific California law that regulates the storage or
transportation of 20-gallons worth of gasoline in the state of California.
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:57:38 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
I want to stay within the law.
If the law says I can't transport anything in the trunk, I won't.
If it says I can't store anything in my yard, I won't.
However, if it allows me to transport and store twenty or twenty five
gallons, I will.
BTW, I moved the gas cans into the shed along the other fence. I was
leaving them outside because I thought it was safer due to venting; but the
shed is pretty airy too. The only problem is all the equipment in the shed
has gas in their gas tanks too (mowers, bikes, a cultivator, weed whackers,
blowers, chainsaw, hedge trimmers, pressure washer, etc.).
The neighbor's concerns shouldn't be any different. There are still twenty
gallons of gas (when full) at a time on my property in gas cans. Then
again, I have forty gallons in the garage (in the cars) and so does he.
Another fifteen or so gallons in the tools if they're all full. I see him
mowing his lawn and using hedge trimmers and weed whackers himself, so he
must have at least five gallons himself.
Whatever you do, don't ask a govt agency!
When I still lived in CA, my buddy wanted to buy av-gas for his
stroked HD. The airport, jes down the street, wouldn't sell it to him
until he a).... b).... c)... etc. He then tried to comply with
those requirements and called the Fire Dept for info. It got real
regulatory and really expensive very quickly. Only if stored in yada
yada...! He finally went with low compression heads for his stroker.
CA is real anal about that kinda stuff. I went one better and moved
to CO. ;)
I do not think it will explode without someone lighting it, but in the
sun gas tanks expend and contract and that can eventually damage the
Since this is California, the state which has more laws than the whole
rest of the country combined, it might be illegal to haul more than
one 5 gal. can in your trunk. Call your D.O.T and ask, then tell us
all. Heck, I often haul 3 five gal cans for my tractor in the back
of my pickup.
You could get a 55gal drum with a hand pump and put all the gas in
that can. That's an approved method on most farms, but who knows in
Calif. Plus, if you're in a city, that means more laws. Calif is a
nice state, but the laws are rediculous.
And I did not think of static electricity. Actually, many years ago I
was cleaning something on my engine with a rag soaked with gas. The
engine was running (yea, I know that was stupid). One of my plug
wires had a crack or hole in the insulation. I got a nasty shock and
at the same time that rag burst into flames from the spark. Since I
was barehanded, my hand were on fire and my shirt caught too. Luckily
I tossed the rag on to the concrete driveway and did a drop and roll
on the lawn which made out the shirt fire. Then the nearby garden
hose took care of the burning rag. My hands stopped burning as soon
as I tossed the rag. In the end, my hands were mildly burned, my
shirt was trash, and a couple of the smaller 12v wires on my engine
were a little melted. It could have been much worse. I learned a big
lesson and I also replaced those crappy plug wires the same time I
taped up the melted wires.
These days if I clean anything with gas, the engine is turned off and
battery cable disocnnected. (assuming the part is attached to the
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:38:54 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
EPA web site says nothing about any specific volume for long term gasoline
Using and Storing Gasoline In the summer, lots of portable containers are
used to store and transport fuels for lawnmowers, chainsaws and
recreational vehicles. These portable containers can emit hydrocarbons; in
addition, spills can leak into ground water. Here are some tips to follow
to reduce these concerns:
Use Proper Containers Use only containers approved by a nationally
recognized testing lab, such as Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Containers
should be fitted with a spout to allow pouring without spilling and to
minimize the generation of vapors. Always open and use gasoline containers
in a well-ventilated area away from children and animals.
Fill Cautiously Fuel equipment on a hard surface such as concrete or
asphalt and use a funnel and/or spout to prevent spilling or splashing when
fueling lawn and recreational equipment and always fuel outside where there
is adequate ventilation to disperse the vapors
Store Carefully Store as little gasoline as possible and be certain
to keep your gasoline container properly sealed. Store the gasoline in a
cool, dry place and never in direct sunlight. Store at ground level to
minimize the danger of falling and spilling. Do not store gasoline in a car
trunk. There is a threat of explosion from heat and impact. Do not store
gasoline in your basement.
Avoid Spills Avoid spilling gasoline on the ground, especially near
wells. If a small spill occurs use kitty litter, saw dust or an absorbent
towel to soak up the spill, then dispose of it properly
Dispose Properly Do not dispose of gasoline down the drain, into
surface water, onto the ground, or in the trash. You should check with your
town concerning using your local household hazardous waste collection for
safe disposal of excess or old gasoline.
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:38:54 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
OSHA says the cans need to be 5 gallons or less in order to transport.
But they say nothing about how many you can transport at the same time or
where you have to put the cans.
Here's what it says.
OSHA Standard 29 CFR 1926.152(a)(1) states "Only approved containers
and portable tanks shall be used for storage and handling of flammable and
combustible liquids. Approved safety cans or Department of Transportation
approved containers shall be used for the handling and use of flammable
liquids in quantities of 5 gallons or less.
Anytime the word "shall" is used in a regulation, it means that this
rule is mandatory and must be followed.
What is an approved safety can or DOT gas can?
A safety can is (29CFR1926.155(1) an approved, closed container, of not
more than 5 gallons capacity, having a flash arresting screen, spring
closing lid and spout cover and so designed that it will safely relieve
internal pressure when subjected to fire exposure.
Approval is given by a nationally recognized testing laboratory, for
example, Underwriters' Laboratory, Inc.
Gas cans can only display DOT approval markings when they meet
stringent Department of Transportation requirements. Here is where it gets
confusing, inexpensive plastic gas cans may meet EPA (Environmental
Protection Agency) requirements, but they do NOT meet DOT rules. Some gas
cans may say they meet CARB spill-proof regulations in certain states or
AQMD (Air Quality Management
District) rules. Again, this doesn't help when trying to comply with
OSHA. None of these other regulatory agencies are the same as DOT. They
are not interchangeable.
If your head isn't already spinning, one last point. If you are
looking for a UL "approval", you will see the following words on the
product, UL Listed. If your can has a UL Classified marking, this is not
the same as UL Listed (approved). If you want more information about UL
markings, go to http://tinyurl.com/pxb9dt
I would just keep it out of any direct sun, not store it for months as
some volitile components will escape through plastic, degrading the
gas, yes it airtight but not 100% impermiable and be sure you have no
You can transport gas, but only 5 gallons at a time, and only in an
open bed or enclosed trunk.
Of course, unless you load up ten 5-gallon jugs with gas and stack
them in the back of the minivan with the kids, in front of a cop,
nobody will be any the wiser.
Unless you ADVERTISE that you're doing something illegal, nobody is
going to know you're doing something illegal...
Yeah, let's stack a dozen gas cans along the fence where the nosy
neighbor will see them and blow the whistle on you.... That's called
being a MORON.
Too bad common sense isn't common anymore.
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:48:01 +0000 (UTC), Judy Zappacosta
Don't know about storage. Others are citing rules.
I keep plastic 5 gallon, 2 gallon and 1 gallon containers in my
garage, tucked away under the workbench. One of each.
The 2 gallon is for filling the lawn mower.
Easy to handle and not spill gas.
The 1 gallon has the 2-cycle mix for the weed whacker.
The 5 gallon only comes out to replenish the others.
As to your question, the simple answer is one at a time.
No reason you have to transport all the gas at once.
Though I don't see moving 4 5-gallons jugs in the trunk as an issue if
they are reasonably secured and you don't travel far.
But I'm less than half a mile from a gas station.
If I had to travel more than a couple miles I'd probably carry one at
When I do the yearly half-mile trip with my 3 jugs it's a dedicated
trip and I'm aware of what's in the trunk the entire time.
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