My new "Water Ace" R33SP submersible sump pump has a little label on the
bottom that says "air vent must be cleaned periodically to prevent air
How often is that? Are all sumps pumps like that or should I return this
for one that doesn't require hauling out of the sump pit to clean? From
what I see we are talking about a 1/8" opening that seems like it should be
labelled "guaranteed to clog as soon as warranty expires."
The vent has to be small because it is on the outlet side of the pump
and allows water to flow back into the sump. FWIW, I've never had one
clog. I suppose if you have a lot of mud and gunk in the pit it may
Not all pumps have the vent built in; some just tell you to drill a
1/8" hole in the output pipe below the check valve.
In general, it's a good idea to pull the pump at least once a year to
inspect it, and to clean the input filter screen anyway. Just take a
nail and poke it through the vent hole when you've got the pump up.
And while it's out, clean any major gunk out of the pit. A messy job,
yes, but better than a flooded basement.
Thanks, that's helpful, but not what I wanted to hear. )-: That pump is
going in a nasty, hard to reach place. I would prefer to spend more money
for less maintenance. It will be bedded down in gravel, too, to keep leaves
and other debris out of it and help anchor it.
I am now thinking of inserting a 6" length of clear tubing in the drain pipe
so I can check for good water flow. Not sure if I would know there was an
airlock until there was a flood, and then the pump is even *harder* to reach
than usual. (-:
Thanks for the input. Oddly enough, my newsreader attached your reply to
the same-named thread of last August.
why bed it in gravel? the exhaust line is a good anchorage, and ifyour
concerned with leaves surround it with screen.
sounds like a outside sump?
put the pump in a seperate sumpo pump pit, in a convenient place to
service, and hve water pass from collection point to pump pit, thru a
filter pit, a screened easy to reach spot.
dont ignore the possiblity of a gravity drain to daylight.......
gravity tends to be highly reliable:)
Primarily because that's the way the old one was installed. It ran
unmaintained and unattended for 19 years so I thought "if it ain't broke . .
." The sump sits at the bottom landing of the basement stairs on the
outside of the house. Leaves collect like crazy. The sump was protected by
a metal grate (22" by 24" with 1" squares) that was laid onto a sheet of
wire mesh. Can't tell who made it, the plate has rusted too much although
perhaps some CSI fans could recover the date. (-:
Yes, hence the concern about leaves, twigs and other crap. This pump has a
rather unusual float switch. It's a metal bulb a little smaller than a
toilet float, but there's no metal arm or shaft. It's connected to the pump
at the cord so that when the sump is empty it lies next to the pump as the
water rises, it floats up.
looks the most like it, but I find it disturbing that the one I bought last
month (169491) is now no longer listed. That suggests they aren't holding
up so well. Shazzbat. )-:
Best solution would be a pedestal pump installed inside in a new sump, but
the flooding problem is so rare (years go by without flooding) that with my
*four* new pumps will handle it. The small Flotec has an input hose stuck
down the basement center floor drain, which my "consulting crew" believes is
connected to the public storm drains. That's pretty likely because when
water comes up through that floor drain, it has the very distinct smell of
the street when it's rained for the first time in weeks. No raw sewage has
ever come up (crosses fingers!). Anyway, there's an electronic leveI have a
1/3 HP battery backup sump pump which I was going to install in the sump
next to the AC pump, but I've decided to keep it in reserve in case friends
or neighbors need a pump out after a failure.
tends to be highly reliable:)
That's a good idea, but I live at the intersection of two raised state
highways and there's a large field behind the house. When I see standing
water in that field (the lowest point around) I know the basement will
flood. But you've given me a good idea. I might be able to determine the
relative elevations of my basement floor and the field out back with my GPS.
If it turns out to be lower, and if I run a long enough pipe, I might be
able to gravity drain the sump.
What I am most afraid of is that I will spend lots of money pumping water
around from the outside into the sump and back outside again. There are
just some situations where all the pumping in the world isn't going to
change the level of the water table.
It looks like the storm that is battering the Midwest is heading this was so
I am looking for a rubber ball that I can jam into the floor drain and then
keep forced in place with a plywood plate braced against the ceiling joists.
We'll see what happens.
Thanks for the input.
use a water level to check elevations, the GPS probably isnt accurate
I made a crude water level with a garden hose and one valve.
put valve at hose connection from source. put end of hose in air. at
destination of water. like on a step ladder.
turn on water till it flows well out of end on ladder.
turn off valve on hose, then source hose off.
get friend and walk around open valve, lower hose on ladder.
when they are same level, water will just pool at either end.
sorry poor explnation its easy to do but hard to explain
I've used water levels before - it's a great way to level out a large room
or check drainage levels. The main problem is that there's about 400'
between measuring points!
Thanks for the suggestion, though. I suspect that I am going to have to
depend on pump and not gravity power for this situation because the slope of
the pipe would be too little to insure adequate drainage. Besides, a
healthy surge of water tends to clean out the little life forms that would
want to make my gravity drain pipe their new home.
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:12:03 -0400, Paul Franklin wrote:
Its as often as it clogs. There is no need to clean it if its not
clogged. Depends on how dirty your water is.
I was under the impression this vent was to allow air to be pushed out of
the exhaust pipe in case it got filled with air. That way the pump can
continue to work. Without that hole, the pipe can get filled with air
between the pump and check valve, and be incapacitated.
I drilled the hole. They didn't tell me what size though..
None of my pumps had any sort of screen on them. Thank goodness because
my sump is basically a mud pit. I have installed a cleanout in the pipe
so I can snake it once a year to get the mud out... In my case I have to
clean my pump once a year too. However, the sewage ejector pump seems to
be staying much cleaner.
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