FWIW, I don't think the problem in NO was that the flooding
was FAST, so much as it that, once the water's high enough
to convince you you'd rather be on the roof, it's already
too deep to go outside. And if you're going to
mandate a roof hatch, are you going to mandate a little
rubber raft, too? And little bottle of iodine tablets
and two cans of spam?
And a laptop computer with newsgroup access, in case you need more
spam....... Such as "Work at home"..... That would give you something
to eat and something to do while you drown. This laptop should also
have web access to ebay, for bidding on plane tickets and fake
memorbilia from the remains of your city.
If I was trapped in an attic that was flooding, I sure as hell would
bust a hole thru the roof or gable end.. Some people just dont seem
to have any common sense......
Or in places (a) where houses have basements and (b) are
located near a nuclear plant -- in case of meltdown (easily
accomplished, apparantely, by eg driving boats into water
intake valves if site is on river).
Well, with all the fallout, you can escape it only by
lying on basement floor, where the path to ground surface
goes through enough ground and subterrainian (sp?) rocks
strongly dimishes the rays.
*EXCEPT* for the roof -- whatever falls up there will
radiate down at you. So you have to get rid of that
How? With a hand-held leaf-blower -- given that you
can get *onto* the roof (quickly!, on and off).
For that, some kind of trap-door onto the roof, from
the attic, would be a help -- a big help.
Of course, the leaf-blower would have to be
gasoline-powered (meltdown means no more electric
Early on, you'd go up there every hour or two, I guess,
to blow the stuff off the roof.
I would suspect that a water sprinkler on the roof would wash the dust
off easier & better and could be operated from the basement. You might
need a battery operated pump, but there is a good chance water pressure
will last longer than electricity.
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I agree. The flared legs can give a false sense of security. I like
them best for my comfort. I have been known to stabilize my ladder
with the bumper of my truck ( 28" ext on a slopped drive ). If I get
shaky and I do I come down...<G>
"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:40:11 -0800, email@example.com. wrote:
Maybe so, but I've tried that on the end of a 32' extension
ladder, and it's too heavy to control. A aluminum stabalizer
weighs about 1/3rd as much and only costs $20 or so.
While you're up there, before you move from the ladder
to the roof, consider driving a screw-eye under
the eve, and tying the ladder in place.
I agree but I used it for years. I never even knew there was a ladder
stabilizer back when I was doing renos
My worst ladder nightmare:
I used to install whirlybirds for a fixed price depending on roofing
material. I learned after this to collect more information.
I got a call to install a bird on a cedar roof so I gave the price and
headed out in the morning.
When I got to the house it was 3 stories up with a 5/12 pitch and on a
hill. It had rained and it was windy.
I needed a forty foot ladder just to get on the roof. A 20 foot ladder
laid on the greasy cedar to get to the peak and a step ladder to sit on
just to get to the other side of the roof to install the bird. Very
slippery, and scary as hell.
I get up there with all my tools and the homeowner decides to go out in
her yard with little kids and mow her lawn. If I drop a tool it could
slide down the roof and kill someone.
She can't hear me so back down the ladder around the house to tell her she
can't be there.
It was the scariest $60 bucks I ever earned.
I think you not only feel that way, you DO have something to hold
I think you not only have a sense of security, you actually do have
more security when the ladder extends well above the roof line.
I mention this because in the last few months quite a few politicians
and administrators have talked just the way you did here, except from
a different perspective.
I heard more than one person on the radio saying that their goal, or
the goal of the agency or part of an agency they administer, or the
program they were voting for, that the goal was to give Americans a
sense of security. They didn't say that they were improving our actual
security, only our sense of security. It was very depressing**. You
are not depressing, because you're talking about your own security or
sense of it, not mine, and because you're evaluating, not discussing
**Depressing partly because of the way they talk, and partly because
there are so many areas where security could be improved, ship cargo,
for just one example.
So retrospectively you're downplaying how much benefit the tall ladder
gives you; and that's probably a good thing, because you're
recommending a tall ladder to others, but you don't want to promise to
them, or even claim for yourself, more than you're sure of. You're
not a liar.
But these politicians and administrators, whose job is to increase our
actual security, not just our sense of it, have, if you accept what
they say, downgraded their goals to increasing only our sense of
Try to roll when you fall.
IMO, that's not just about feeling better either. If the helper has
his feet planted right at the base of the ladder and is leaning his
weight on the ladder to keep it in place, you are safer.
I'm not really planning on falling, because landing on my head makes
it hard to roll. Paratroopers are taught to roll when they land. This
is a good point.
I help a friend with work now and then. He knows I hate ladder work,
but we were putting up molding today on 16 ' ceilings.
His "policy" is that "if you fall, you are fired before you hit the
ground (grin)" .
"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens
A good rule of thumb:
With the ladder leaning on the house, stand on the ground with your toes against
a ladder foot. Hold an arm out straight in front of you, parallel to the
ground. If you fingers just touch the ladder, it is leaning at the proper
angle. Otherwise, adjust the ladder angle and repeat.
Also be sure all four corners (two feet on the ground and two sides at the top)
are firmly touching their surface without any rocking.
Finally, before climbing the ladder, test how sturdy it is. Be sure it doesn't
rock or slide and the extension latches are properly set. Bounce a little on
the first rung or two to confirm it stays put before climbing further.
Another safety note: Never lift the ladder up from the top (e.g. while you're
on the roof)! People have killed themselves because they lift the ladder to move
it or whatever, and release the extension latches. Then when they climb on to
the ladder to start down, the ladder collapses.
Never take a ladder or its positioning for granted, whether you only use one
once a year to clean your gutters, or you are a professional roofer. And look
up for wires!
(Don't forget to tie your shoes and don't play with matches! :)
Actually you do sometimes need to do this- but of course use a rope or
something to connect the two sections. I have to do this to get from
1st floor to 2nd floor roof(ie haul ladder up), then lower ladder down
again when going down.
Well said. I try to remind myself that my first concern is to stay
alive, job is only #2.
You wear a pair of shoes with good grip. And extend the ladder higher so
you have something to steady yourself. Or there is stabilizer, something
like wings to attach to either side at the top of ladder.
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