On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:16:52 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
And I wouldn't buy major power equipment from the "despot" anyway. For
virtually the same price you can buy DECENT equipment from someone who
KNOWS the product and will be there to supply you with service and
repair parts when needed.
The Ariens line is pretty top notch stuff (or at least it was when I
was in the business) Worked for an Ariens dealer for several years
back when I was a young feller. Back then Ariens, Hahn, and Jacobsen
were the big players in the quality lawn mower and snow blower
business up here.
Today Honda has a good hold on the business, with Toro and Ariens
still definitely holding their fair share.
Briggs and Stratton, having absorbed Murray pretty well own the lower
middle end of the spectrum, with MTD/YardWorks taking up the slack
You generally can't go too far wrong buying Ariens, particularly from
a reputable dealer with good service facilities.
Wow- you folks up north sure do have a lot more choices than we do down
here, leastways if we don't want to take a weekday off to shop. I am
curious, what price does a typical 24" 2-stage run up there?
BTW, I didn't buy mine at the Borg. I bought it off Craig'sList,
essentially brand new, from a small-framed fellow who was pretty clearly
scared of it. 100 bucks cheaper than new, which was around 600 at the
time. I did do a lot of shopping around though, at least at the places
that were open on Saturday around here. Only difference between brands
seemed to be color and decals. The 'Fisher-Price' rubber-auger singles,
the 24", and the 26", all had a single model available. I'm sure that if
I was doing driveways for a living, it wouldn't hold up as well as a
thousand-dollar machine, but for my little 20x60 driveway, it seems to
be holding up fine. And my back feels a whole lot better in winter.
Currently Canadian Tire has 2 24" blowers listed online. The Troybuilt
is 1149.99 and the yardworks is 999.99
Both use the Powermore 208cc OHV engine. The Troy has"power steering."
They also have a Yarworks with single speed - down and dirty cheapest
thing MTD could throw together, with the same engine for 769.95
Looks like with the death of Tecumseh the L-head engine option (the
old snow-king) is gone.
For the first time I also only see one HP per blower width - on 2
brands listed on their site.
Home harware has both a 26 and 28 inch TORO with 250cc Briggs. 24"
1599.99 and 28 inch with fingertip steering at 1899.99
Sears Canada has Craftsman 24" with 208cc Storm Force OHV (9 ft lb )
(6 HP) for 899.99
Also 24" 208cc Powermate engine for 999.99
Also for 1099.99 a 249cc 11.5 ft lb (8 HP) Briggs on the 24" blower.
Then they have both 27" and 30" with 305cc Briggs 14.5 ft lb (10 HP)
for 1699.99 eachIn the 27 inch size they also have 249cc briggs for
1199.99 and 999.99, as well as Briggs OHV 13.5 ft lb (9 HP) for
1299.99 and a Poulan Pro 291cc 12.4 ft lb (8.5HP)
So it is obvious they are still building and selling the same machine
with different engine options - both HP and valve configuration..
Looking at Briggs specs, the 205cc Intek OHV is 7.5HP compared to
249cc for the flathead 8HP.
The OHV Snow line has a 342cc, 20.85cu inch series at 16.5 and 15.5 ft
lb (10.6 and 11.3HP) as well as a305cc (18.6 cu inch) at 13.5 and 14.5
ft lb (9.25 and 9.9 hp), the 249 at 11.5 and 11 ft lb, and the 205 at
8 and 9 ft lb (5.5 and 6HP)
THe engines referred to as "power mate" are COLEMAN engines.
The "Storm Force" engine is a Chinese LCT engine.
The "Powermore" is also a cheap chinese engine - a cob-rough copy of a
Honda, used by MTD on their "value lines"
So, More than you ever wanted to know about SnowBlowers and engines in
That will get you about 7 to 8 hp from what I've seen.
Note the 11.5 ft lb. is right in with the 7.5 hp models.
The 14.5 ft. lb. are in with the 10 hp models
The 15.5 are in with the 11 hp
http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/product.asp?PN !M114-0620&desc=Briggs &
Stratton Engine 15.50 Ft. Lbs. Torque Horizontal 1" x 2 29/32" Shaft,
342cc, Fuel Tank, Muffler, Snow Intek, EP
I will be buying from a dealership that does the authorized maintenance and
repairs with genuine parts. I have bought power equipment from big box
stores and from mom and pop stores and frankly, timely warranty services was
a real hassle to get.
The same machine was available with 3 different engines from
Canadian Tire and anyone who sold the Noma line of blowers.
Same was true of Sears equipment of the same time period.
MTD built snow blowers about 5 miles from my home and a good friend
was the Canadian parts manager. They built 3 differen blowers on the
same "chassis" - with the same auger - as well as several variations
with the same "chassis" and larger or smaller augers, each with
different power options as well.
This is going back a while, so the actual sizes and horsepower may
not be 100% accurate - But my memory for this stuff is generally
Small frame 20, 22, and 24 blowers, medium frame 24, 26, and 28"
blowers and large frame 28, 30, and 32 if I remember correctly.
Something like that anyway, and the 22 was avaialble as 3, 4, and 5
hp, on the small frame. The 26 was available as 5, 8, and 10 on the
medium frame. and the medium sized large frame was available as at
least a 10 and a 12.
The current situation with the "big box" stores may well have changed
(I'm talking Home Despot and WallMart and their ilk) but most lawn and
garden equipment dealers and large hardware companies still have more
options. At Canadian tire you still have the option of side valve or
OHV engines on the same frame with the same auger - or at least did
have for the 2008/2009 season. The lower priced unit had the old
side-valve engine. If it wasn't a holiday up here tomorrow I'd go
check out the displacement vs torque specs on the 2 different style
engines and put this to rest.
Well, for those who don't believe there is a difference and can't
understand why there is a difference, and have their minds already
made up, I guess it woudn't change anything - so why should I waste
the time or effort.
My old machine was a 26 inch with an 8 HP Tecumseh engine. It was barely
adequate in heavy snow especially where the snow plough has filled in the
end of the driveway. I don't want to repeat the experience.
More power may not always be the answer though. If you put a 20 HP engine
on that machine, would it blow the packed snow or would it just break the
shear pin, bend the auger and damage other parts? You may be asking the
machine to do more than it is designed to do, no matter the engine size.
I certainly can't say because I did not see or feel the snow you had. My
small machine takes a while with it though, you just have to take small
Given the machine WAS AVAILABLE with a 10 HP engine, it is pretty
certain the 10 HP machine would have blown more snow. A 20 HP motor
would also have blown more snow - up to the point where the excess
power could have destroyed the machine. As long as the shear pins were
not bypassed, the probability of actually damaging the machine from
excessive power is pretty remote. I could take out the shear pins on
my 5/26 without any problem if I got "stupid" with it.
I can tell you that putting tire chains on my snow blower was like
doubling the power. What a difference! It's a decent but small
machine. 24 inch Ariens with 7.5 HP Snow King engine. I used to have
to seriously manhandle it to clear the packed berm at the end of the
driveway from the city plows. Now I just put it in low - It digs in
and it GOES. All I do is steer.
I'm lucky, I guess. My rural subdivision usually does not get plowed
till mid-day, so I seldom have to deal with that. I plow halfway across
the street, and 2-3 passes along the edge of the street 'upstream' to
the way the plow comes, and 'downstream' past the mailbox. Only problem
I have, at least with the guy that had the contract last couple of
years, is that he uses the low spot in my front yard as a push-off area
sometimes. (I'm halfway up a straight stretch.) Gee, I wonder why the
grass keeps dying in that part of the yard. I need a boulder pretty bad,
Although maybe the township hired somebody else this year- they had one
inexperienced driver that plowed big divots out of a lot of front yards.
The people who are turf-obsessed were mighty PO'd, and bitched loudly to
Fingers crossed for a very mild winter. If I can ever afford to retire,
I plan to sell the snowblower with the house, and move somewhere that
has at most an inch or two a couple times a winter. And no more sloped
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:21:25 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
7.5HP Snow King on a 24" machine IS adequate power (seeing a 24"
machine could also be purchaced with a 4 HP engine, with 5 and 6 HP
being the most common on 24" machines.
Is your ariens the Pro or the standard? All Ariens Pro machines have a
lockable differnetial on the wheel drive, while the standards have a
solid axle that you can either pin to both wheels or have drive only
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:45:23 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It did not seem adequate until I added tire chains. Then it was a
whole different machine. Until then, I was regretting that I hadn't
bought a much bigger machine. At the time I just couldn't see buying a
bigger snowblower that took up a lot more room in the garage. The
models up from mine were substantially larger in all dimensions.
It's important to get a good quality machine. Even the cheaper ones
last for 20 or more years. That's a long time to live with a mistake!
Better to spennd a few more dollars and cry once, then to cry every
time you use it.
10 and 12 HP machines were handling the same amount of the same type of snow
quite well without overworking the machines. I know very well about taking
small amounts but when you are trying to move snow from the foot of the
drive that is 4 to 5 feet high, even small bites takes a lot of power.
Having used snow blowers for about 40 years, I think that I have some idea
on how to handle them and what to expect of them.
I just don't want to buy a pony when a real horse is what I need.
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