Wouldnt that affect the tank and make it sound like it's running all the
time? LOL, thanks for your patience. She lives a 6 hour drive so this is a
sort of 'distance support'. I recommended she change that though just in
case. Its a real easy fix if related! She's just never done the plumming
part of the work when we fixed up houses for sale. That was almost
exclusively my older sister's job.
Was presuming this was communication gap. They can seep so slowly never
hear it until it does finally reach level it refills.
If it really is bowl level, does it fully refill on flush? If not, may
be sediment buildup in supply holes.
If it really is the bowl level dropping w/o the tank between flushes it
has to either be siphoning, leaking or vacuum pulling water out as
someone else mentioned (if the pet, evaporation, etc., other external
causes are excluded).
Sounds like time to send in the sister... :)
Well, she says she'll go to the HW store and get a new one tomorrow.
I appreciate you guys (and gals) patience! It's frustrating to not be able
to answer in details other than I do 'Mom-speak' quite well, so yes, it's
the bowl and she's not hearing anything (her hearing is still tip-top).
She's checked the tank (The other bathroom had a tank problem last year and
we talked her through fixing it)
Yes, re-fills on flush.
I'm thinking vacumn pulling via vent sounds most likely just now but I'll
have her give it another good go with a plunger and change out the flapper
since those are simple cheap fixes.
The reason why I think it may be wind driven is 2 things recently changed
the wind pattern. She put up a much better wind barrier and re-insulated
underneath. She also mentioned a large tree was taken out fairly near her
lot, just a little bit ago. That might be affecting any top venting.
I'd also suggest a good dose of vinegar in the tank and a squirt of CLR
or similar in the ring area of the feeds--I'd still suspect liming there
as a culprit in low flow during flushing, particularly if water supply
is a little or a lot hard...
I suppose the changes enumerated _could_ have changed the venting and
caused a problem but I'd think it fairly unlikely--I don't think I've
ever known of a case that caused measurable/noticeable volume to go down
the drain on a consistent basis. That would imply somehow having a
persistent vacuum problem which doesn't seem too likely to be caused by
wind or other changes of the type you've noted as that would be variable.
Easy enough to test (altho probably not for Mom) by adding a baffle at
the vent exit. Sister good at climbing too???? <vbg>
Ah, that's a completely different kettle of fish than simply going down
gradually over time...
Need to (as somebody else noted, I think I recall???) watch and test
other drains one at a time starting w/ other toilets and those near in
proximity to this one.
Sounds like an obstruction in drain vent--perhaps a varmint or something
else fell into one. When another drain using the same line operates,
that creates either vacuum or pressure depending on which side it's on
relative to this commode.
She can do the testing herself by establishing a level and going to do
something and coming back to check results but it would be far quicker
to have an observer and operator.
Too bad of sister; sorry, your earlier post indicated she was the handy
type and had been involved w/ repair/fixup but didn't mention that was
in days of yore...
Anyway, think this has isolated a root cause; solution is probably going
to require rooftop rooting of vent line although if lucky perhaps
there's just an obstruction retrievable from the top easily.
Naw, this was her main one. She's using the back one now.
This may well be it. Snake the vent somehow? Blockage of some sort
suspected? She's handy but this sort of thing (plumming) isnt her forte at
all, and one I only know a bit about. I can replace a toilet seal, thats
Looks easy! I sent her that one too and combined all the notes. I probably
won't hear back from her until Monday. She uses the library for her
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