The significant others have choosen a regular sink, I think by an
Italian company, in a local store in Boston where I live. Everything
is fine, it fits the dimensions, but our plumber found out that is not
an list of Massachusetts approved list of residential plumbing
fixtures. The sink is sold in MA, it has a distributor in Chicago, yet
we cannot install it.
Is there any way around this? My plumber said he will not install it
if it's not on the list because of the plumbing inspector. Given this
is NOT a saftey issue, I find it obscene that some lists what items
can and cannot go into MY home.
We did pull a permit for the new bathroom addition project. We also
had problems finding an "approved" bidet. I am getting kind of sick of
this permit issues.
- I'd satisfy my curiosity by contacting the demons who create the approved
list. Find out what criteria are involved in approving a friggin' sink.
- Install it yourself. Hit the library for some plumbing books - the kind
with lots of pictures for the do-it-yourselfer. Then, open the yellow pages
phone book and find a real plumbing store. Go there for the pipe fitting
parts. You'll get help that you're unlikely to receive at a place like Home
I'd second Joe's advice - do it yourself - with one big caveat.
Thanks to your friendly local legislators (with assistance from plumber's
unions I suspect), it's illegal for individuals to do *any* of thier own
plumbing work in MA. Technically you have to hire a licensed plumber even
to replace a faucet.
Many people deal with this by "forgetting" to pull a permit so Big Brother
isn't aware of what they're doing, but unfortunately that option isn't
available to you now.
Only thing I can think of is find the cheapest sink that will fit the
opening, have the plumber install it, get the project inspected & signed off
and the permit closed, then replace said sink yourself with the one you
Or petition your legislators to try to get the regulations changed... good
luck with that!
Years ago, when I used to shop at HD in Somerville, they had signs all
around the plumbing department indicating that it was not legal to do your
own plumbing work in MA.
Also around 1996 when I was adding a 2nd story to my house in Woburn I had a
discussion about it with the building inspector. He told me in no uncertain
terms that I could not do any of my own plumbing work, it had to be done by
a licensed plumber, and that it wasn't a local regulation but a state one.
Well, a little poking around at www.mass.gov found the following FAQ on
Q: I am planning to hire a contractor to perform work on my home. Do I
need to hire a contractor with a CSL?
A: A homeowner may choose to hire anyone he/she wishes to perform work
on his\\her own home, or a homeowner may choose to perform work
his\\herself. However, before making any decisions, please consider the
If you choose to perform building construction work on your own
home or if you choose to hire unlicensed, unregistered persons, you must
secure a permit under what is called the homeowner exemption (see 780
CMR, Section 108.3.5 below). In doing so, you assume all
responsibility for the project (i.e. ensuring the end product conforms
with all pertinent codes, laws and ordinances) and you forfeit any and
all rights under the CSL and HIC programs.
So, looks to me like you _can_ (up to a point -- it points out that you
do have to have a licensed person for major structural elements or
projects over a given size plus a lot of other stuff) but you have to
jump through hoops to do so within the rules and nobody professional is
going to run any risk of helping to do that and perhaps jeopardize
something in their accreditation...
Check w/ department who issued building permit and find out what it
takes to get it approved or on the list. I suspect unless there is
something really odd about it it is only not on a list because it is a
newer product than the list and whatever it takes to get it approved is
only a formality. If this vendor is selling product in MA and the
distributor is stocking it, they're not going to do so if the required
permitting process isn't in place -- they wouldn't waste the time/money.
The only snafu I could see is time if this is some really localized code
thing as opposed to actually being something at the State level -- which
I kinda' suspect although that is speculation not being resident.
Depends on how badly you want this, I think, altho I understand the
frustration factor -- I'd be throwing hammers, etc., too... :)
Some of the designer lavs don't have overflows. All those spiffy
looking glass, copper and stone sinks are just bowls with a hole in
the bottom. I wonder if that's the stumbling block with the fixture
Hadn't thought of that one, Rico -- at least a possibility. I had
thought perhaps the faucet set came w/ it as a package being an import
But, I'm still hung up on why a local showroom would stock something
that can't be installed....that seems _most_ peculiar to me.
And, from what I saw at the web site for approved plumbing products, it
appears that anything hooked up to a potable water pipe has to have an
approval. I didn't try to pursue just what the regulations are as to
what is on the checklist of hoops to jump through.
Maybe because a lot of people will install it anyway?
Just spend a weekend watching every house flipping show on TLC, A&E,
HGTV, and watching "Holmes on Homes" on Discovery Home, and note how
many times someone repairing something runs into plumbing, electrical,
or worse that is totally against local codes. It's clear there are
plenty of people willing to install pretty much anything!
Reading comprehension problems are tragic.
- The OP is talking about a sink, not a faucet.
- There are actually places in this country where there are real water
shortages, so conserving water's not a bad idea.
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