: I am looking for a new torch. I have narrowed it down, I think to
Crossfire (owned by man who worked for and designed the original Turbotorch)
and Turbotorch but am open to other suggestions. I posted on this a few days
ago, but did not ask whether you folks recommend the self-igniting or
non-self-igniting versions. I am leery about buying a unit with a
self-igniter for two reasons, 1) unless it has a lock, it is a safety hazard
if one of my kids were ever to get close to it and 2) it is an extra
mechanism to fail just when I need the torch! I know that some self-igniters
have a button that fires the torch up and a button that kills the flame
instantly which is nice for working is tight spaces, but one can do do that
with the regulator also. I suppose it is personal preference, but am curious
what you folks think the pros and cons are to this decision. Also, when not
in use, do Propane/Mapp tanks need to be stored standing up or can they be
kept in a tool bag lying down. Also, forr those of you that use non-self
igniters, do you use cigarette lighter to light?
I don't really see any cons to self ignition. I would never buy a torch
without self ignition. It is far safer. It doesn't encourage you to leave
the torch on unnecessarily, which can be very dangerous as well as wasteful.
If you have young kids, I would suggest that gas torches might be best kept
out of their reach or locked away, self igniting or not.
As for the reliability issue, even if it does go wrong you'll just end up
with a non-self igniting torch.
Surefire makes anice torch and I wouldn't have anything but a self igniting
one. Surefire's has a knob you turn to the on position before it can be
depressed and a cleaning position should nozzle get plugged. I always remove
the torch head from the tank when not in use.
Removing the torch head is a very good point. I once made the mistake of
leaving the head on a propane tank for a long time. I don't recall how long
that was, but I only occasionally need to use a torch. When I did get
around to removing the head, the seal in the tank would not close tight and
there I was with the tank spewing propane. I had to reassemble the torch and
then take it outside to let the tank finish venting.
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:20:36 GMT, "Michael Roback"
After years of fumbling with igniters and flints wearing down and
trying to use a lighter when I couldn't find an igniter, I finnally
picked up a self igniter on a whim. Wouldn't ever go back.
Especially working on top of a 14 foot ladder... :)
I was working on a job, helping install a boiler. The plumber who was
working there had a B tank acetylene, with a hose and Pres-To-Lite torch. I
offered him to let him use my Mapp torch, but he says he really loves that
B-tank. He spends endless time looking for his sparker, though.
I've been a heating and AC professional for several years. Use a Mapp torch
for silver soldering refrigeration copper together, and also for plumbing.
The self igniting ones are the rage for reliability. Take the torch off the
tank, and keep the little white plastic cap where you can put it back on the
I think you're studying the matter too much. Go to your tool supply house
and spend $65 adn get the good Bernzo, and be done with it.
i prefer the non self igniting.most self igniting torches are place on a
tip that does not swivel,and sometimes if you are soldering in a tight spot
you need the tip to swivel.plus if you do find a self igniting torch that
swivels the ignitor can get in the way if you need to solder behind a stud
or some other tight spot.i do not find it that big of an inconvenience to
have to keep a lighter or striker handy.just watch your thumb if you are
using a lighter.lol
Most of us have B tanks with turbo torch. I also have one of the handheld
self-lighters. Mine can use green or yellow tanks (lp or mapp). If I have
crawl or something I like the small one obviously. The job kinda dictates
what tool you want. Think about what is going to be most pratical for you.
I find myself useing the handheld even more than I should. I hate to carry
big heavy tank even though it gives such a hot torch.
I've been using the self igniting torch by Bernzo, and been very pleased
with it. Use Mapp gas for silver soldering lines for AC/R copper. I always
take the tank off the torch and put the little white cap back on the tank.
I do know someone who neglected to take the tank off his torch. Threw it
into the back of his Ford Bronco. Well somehow he blew up his truck, got
himself 2nd and worse burns, and spent some time in the hospital.
I can see how a disaster could happen with flammable gases. I was
riding with a helper. We heard a hiss sound. i thought it was a
vacuum line on my truck, so I pulled over to investigate. Damned if
that guy hadn't left the B-tank turned on. Little guy was just fixing
to light a cigarette...it could've been ugly.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:13:20 -0500, "CBhvac"
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