Does anyone have any first-hand experience in knowing the chances of
an Aristocrat Flowering Pear Tree causing damage to a home's
I have a neighbor who decided to plant an Aristocrat Flowering Pear
Tree about 5 feet from our property line and about 17 feet from my
foundation in highly expansive clay soil that is watered almost year
round: in Califorina where we go long spells without rain. I have
water lines and sprinkler lines within five feet of that tree, and a water
line about seven feet from it.
One of my concerns with this tree is potential root damage to my
home's foundation, concrete driveway, and anything I decide to put in
that area in the the future.
I've been researching root barriers, and the one idea I'm debating is
putting in a 4 to 6 feet deep (below ground) rebar reenforced concrete
wall along our property line to keep this tree from damaging my
property. Does anyone know how effective root barriers are at
different depths in the soil?
How well would a rebar reenforced below-ground wall work?
Any other ideas for an effective root barrier system?
Has anyone ever had any success in taking a neighbor to court for
intentionally planting a tree that they know will encroach on your
land and will likely damage your propery over time?
Alternately, when you find the first surface root on your property, drill a
hole in it, top off the hole with glyphosate every week and bye-bye tree.
You could cut to the chase by simply drilling a hole in the base of the tree
one dark night this winter and topping off the hole with glyphosate every
week or so...
I had a neighbor who planted some great big shade producing thing right on
the property line. Didn't bother to ask, didn't do a good job of picking the
tree for the location. Just bought it and planted it. After about two
years, my bermuda (I installed the sod myself - what a job) began to die
from lack of sun. Surprisingly, that tree died really suddenly...
Anything that hangs over your property line is yours. You can take a
chain saw and cut all the branches that are over your line.
Just be advised that, sooner or later, you may have to take the chain
saw to your neighbors.
If you get a good shyster lawyer (aren't they all?), it could be
adjudicated a justified homicide.
Here are all of the notes I've taken on this topic based on these
discussions... these are not my words... this is largely all copy and
paste from different replies.
Again, I thank everyone for helping.
* So, if in 10 years the tree is growing that big and you are still
worried about it, rent a Ditch Witch and trench a 4" wide, 2' deep
trench inside your property line and disconnect any roots running in
your direction. The trench would not have to be long, say 20' as the
major roots will radiate out from the trunk. You could even dig a
smaller test trench with a shovel is a couple of years just to check
things out. You can take an axe to any roots on the surface.
* If you're REALLY worried, in five years, dig a trench inside your
property line to, er, put down PVC for watering - or something. [this
will cut any roots]
* If it really bugs you, spade through any major roots you see when
you build the driveway. The rest aren't worth worrying your pretty
little head over.
* Another slant might be to verify that the tree owner may be libel
for damages to your property and also verify with a local professional
that that tree in that location might damage your property. I would
expect the owner to react.
* I would think it being Aristocrat pear at 17 feet would be more than
a safe distance from your home. If you are going to make a barrier,
24 inches of corrugated tin buried should be sufficient.
* Heavy EPDM would work as a barrier, and be easier than tin to work
with. That is what they use in the bamboo group as a root barrier.
(Heavy black rubber-like material. Used for roofing, and ponds. Can be
cut, and glued if you need to.)
* Another problem that occurs with trees is *reduction* of the
groundwater from evapotranspiration in clay soils, consequent
consolidation of the clay stratum, and settlements of the structure
founded on the stratum. This is usually associated with large trees
like oaks so a relatively small pear tree may not apply... The thing
is, you neighbour by watering may be balancing the equation.
Q: Is this caused by the roots taking moisture out of the soil?
A: Yes, But the tree is also providing shade, thereby reducing the
amount of evaporation directly from the soil, so the likely net effect
Check this link for a discussion of the issue from a decidedly
Since you are watering the soil to avoid too much drying out under the
foundation, you probably do not have to worry about this.
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visit http://www.isa-arbor.com/home.asp .
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Heavy black rubber-like material. Used for roofing, and ponds. Can be
cut, and glued if you need to.
Like I said, google through the bamboo newsgroup's history, as it is
something that bamboo keepers fight with, keeping runners under control.
This is Turtle.
Check with your timber management companys and get the name of the stuff they
kill Oak and sweet gum trees with and get a ounce of it. When you find a root on
your land. Cut a little piece of the coating off the root and put 1 drop on the
cut place on the root. Then in about a month the tree will rott and fall over.
Be careful with it for what ever plant it touches, it kills.
Other option is to dig a 3 foot ditch with a ditch witch and fill it with Rock
Salt like used on highways dureing freezing weather. Fill the ditch with Rock
salt and nothing will cross the line without getting killed.
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i think the responses to this post are pretty indicitive of the way things
are. 'if it crosses the line, kill it'.
have you even tried talking to the neighbor? if that didnt work, i would
put something in writing addressing your concerns, and mail it certified
mail to your neighbor so he cant say he didnt get it. then if any of them
happen you have your ammo should it actually come to a legal battle. and if
none of them happen, well...
Um. Five feet from the property line? SEVENTEEN from your house? Sorry,
I think you're paranoid. Almost anybody would think that five feet
inside their property line is fair game for any damn tree they want to
plant. That's a fully grown human, lying on his back, toes to neck.
Not to jeer, but you're scared of potential damage to a potential
driveway that doesn't even exist yet? I don't suppose you would ever
plant anything near that driveway yourself, nosirree.
A properly graded, laid, and jointed driveway shouldn't have anything to
fear from a tree that far away. In the long run, to be sure, but on a
time scale of years and years. If it really bugs you, spade through any
major roots you see when you build the driveway. The rest aren't worth
worrying your pretty little head over.
Perhaps you should call a security company, and install motion detectors
in the ground. This will tell you if your neighbor has any roots growing
into your property. If you would like to let them know that you know
about the roots they are growing under your property, you may connect
this security system to a flashing halogen floodlight and a tornado
siren. They'll know to make their roots back off, then.
I think you should try this question on a lawyer, first. He'll most
likely chuckle, and take your money, but he'll continue chuckling
quietly. Bread and butter, my friend, you're bread and butter.
You have described a foundation wall (without anything on it).
But learn how big this tree will get and how far the root go.
Most pear trees I know don't get HUGE. it would be unlikely
if it really went over your property line on top.
(15' around was pretty huge for apple trees).
And you'll get some pears.
You're best investment is in being friendly with the neighbor. If
you're REALLY worried, in five years, dig a trench inside your property
line to, er, put down PVC for watering - or something.
Talk to a nursery/plant guy first, tho.
First a note. In most areas of the US you are allowed to trim any part
of a tree or bush (above ground?) that is over your property. However I
understand that some local laws have some restrictions where it may
damage/kill the tree. You should check locally before doing anything
without permission of the owner.
I will suggest that following the comments about killing the tree is
almost certain to be illegal everywhere. If one of my neighbors were to
pull that one, I would be most happy to press charges. However I would be
very likely to remove a tree if my neighbor expressed concerns after
consulting with a professional and verifying that their could be a problem.
Another slant might be to verify that the tree owner may be libel for
damages to your property and also verify with a local professional that that
tree in that location might damage your property. I would expect the owner
Frank, life must be good if all you have to worry about is how well the
trees are growing. Why don't you volunteer some time at a nursing home
or homeless shelter? You can pick the fruit that grows on your side and
:) Why don't you volunteer some time at a nursing home
:) or homeless shelter? You can pick the fruit that grows on your side and
:) donate it.
If he did that he would get booted back outside...Aristrocat is an
ornamental pear...fruits are marble sized and just about as solid.
Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
It is said that the early bird gets the worm,
but it is the second mouse that gets the cheese.
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