My patio doors are really pretty old and the inner seal recently gave way on
one of them so I want to get them replaced before winter sets in.
The whole unit in the frame is 72" wide and 80 " in height which the local
window showroom says is a standard opening.
They gave me a price on a standard sized Andersen Permashield vinyl clad
door (which is all I want) at about $890. I had one local installer come by
to give me an estimate and he said that the opening indeed is 'standard' and
the Andersen doors should basically fit right in with no need to change the
He quoted me a price of approximately $750 for installation! Is it me just
me or does this price seem way too high for what he needs to do? He even
said the doors should just fit right in and maybe he'd have to remove the
inside wood trim around the door.
Of course he said that would be the price barring any unforseen
circumstances, etc. He also said that he needs to take away the old
doors/frame and the town / dump would charge him a disposal fee whereas if
he left the doors out by the street in front of my house and have the town
pick them up then he would save me the disposal fee (whatever that might
I'm thinking I need to get at least two more estimates....
What do you all think?
I put in some Andersen Frenchwood doors and it was pretty easy. I did have to
buck in the opening 3/4" smaller (width) than the door I took out. Look on the
Andersen site and they will give you all the details on any door they sell.
Why do you need to replace the whole door when all that has failed is
the insulated glass unit on one side?
You can remove the failed door panel, take it apart, replace the
insulated glass unit and put it back in place for a fraction of the
cost of replacing the whole door. If there are other problems with the
door that might justify replacement, then by all means do it, but don't
replace the whole door just because of a failed IG unit.
If it ain't broke....
Never repaired one I see; I've repaired hundreds in many years working
for a retail glass company. You could watch, but you clearly would have
no idea what you were watching.
The insulated glass unit in the door is called an insulated glass
*unit*, because it comes as a sealed *unit*. It is not repairable.
You disassemble the frame, remove the old failed *unit* and replace it
with a new sealed *unit* which you order from your local glass company.
Standard size units(28X76,34X76 &46X76) are mass produced and
relatively inexpensive. If you live in the US, they automatically come
with tempered safety glass as required by law and you can order it
tinted and/or argon filled if you wish. Unless you are reasonably
skilled with hand tools I would recommend that you let them do it
rather than attempting it yourself.
If it's broke...don't try to fix it if you don't have a clue.
No. These are 'really' old aluminum frames and I just want to be done with
the whole unit. The space inbetween the two door panels does not seal well.
Also, I stand corrected. The installer wants to charge me another $125 over
the $750 for removal/carting away.
I am looking for thoughts on if the price is too high.
When I replaced 2 units, one with an Adnerson window and the other with
an Anderson slider, I call may garbage company to see if they would pick
up the stuff .... "NO." However, they would pick up the aluminum if cut
in pieces less than 30" and the glass had to be broken up. I used an
abrasive disk in a circular saw and cut up the frame. I laid the double
glass panel on a tarp covered it with another tarp and hit it with a
heavy hammer. I was surprised how much force was required. But when
they broke, due to the tempered glass, they shattered over the whole
pane into little pieces. The pieced where then shoveled into boxes less
than 30 pounds (garbage company requirement). What a pain. Actually,
$125 doesn't sound that bad. Add that to the fact that my wife tried to
move one of the double panes and to fell on her breaking her femur ...
Walter Cohen wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:47:29 -0500, Walter Cohen wrote:
You must have "sucker" written across your forehead.
The most expensive sliding door on Lowes web site is under $500. I
replaced an old aluminum sliding door at my mothers house with a friend
of mine in under a day. The opening was to big and we had to frame it in
so it wasn't the simplest installation.
I would think you could get a very nice door (installed) for less than
Noble Pepper, he does not have " sucker written all over his face" His
aluminum doors have probably a total R value of less than 1 , with high
air infiltration. Anderson which I have have apx 3.5R and have maybe the
best made glass in the industry. I paid 800 per slider and 750 per
install, a area standard price. Sure you can go cheap, but you get what
you pay for.
On the instal be sure You check Plumb, Level, and Square, before you
pay!! If you are more than 1/8" out you have No factory Warranty. The
quality of the install- installer is far more important than going cheap
and saving a buck.
My installer was a hack, grease, dirt on the wood, and out of square,
locks not set right. Luckily I caught his mistakes before he left. Be
sure the instaler has instaled Andersons, and call these people.
$450 going rate and that includes deliver and haul away. One often
overlooked installation problem is that the new doors don't use brick mold.
If old doors do than you will need to make a filler and cover it with
aluminum to hide the new nail flange. Also some old aluminum doors have the
siding installed over a nail flange this means either remove the siding or
cut it back to remove the old door frame. Wall thickness will also cause
additional work since the permashild is set up for 4 9/16 wall thickness.
i just bought special order out-swinging double french doors, low E,
for $695 total. I took out a window, tore out the wall and framed the
opening. Once that was done, it took maybe one hours work to install
and square the door. Home Depot has low E sliders that will fit that
opening, the RO is slightly smaller, but its easier to make an opening
smaller that larger, for about $350. $750 seems high if everything
goes in easy, which it almost never does. I think you're paying to
high for the doors, not the installation.
The lowest I can get the door(s) for is $840. The $890 was from a local
store front operation selling Andersen, Pella, Marvin, etc...
The town said they would indeed take these doors if I leave them out. They
suggested I remove the glass but when I asked them if they'd still take them
with the glass they said they would.
Disposal of old construction material can be a real hassle nowadays.
Sometimes you just pay extra, leave in the morning, come back at night, and
a new door is installed and your yard and house are all cleaned up with no
mess or fuss. What's it worth to you?
Rapid Realm Technology, Inc.
I see the same Perma Shield doors at Home Depot. Does anyone know if
it really is the same as I could get from a local window supplier that
sells Andersen, Pella, Marvin, etc? Sometimes Andersen sells
"similar" models only at HD or Lowes.
The model is the PS51 (OR or LR kit). They sell for $649 whereas I
got a price from a local window supplier at $891 for the PSW510
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