I've got a guest bathroom toilet that is about 25 years old (original to the
house). It works pretty well but has a leaking wax ring, and I'm wondering,
while I'm at it, is there any reason to replace the whole toilet with a
newer model? I'm aware that there might be some water bill savings with the
newer low-flow models, but aside from that, are there any compelling reasons
We replaced the two of our toilets that get most use by new water-saving
ones, but we didn't bother about the one that seldom gets used except by
I'd be inclined just to replace the wax ring.
On 05/09/05 08:07 am Magnusfarce tossed the following ingredients into
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*ABSOLUTELY* !! Over and above the simple esthetics of a nice new shiny
one without years of impacted crud, there is the possibility
(probability?) that Congress will mandate the creation of Water Police
who will visit you and - after a big fine - require you to rip out the
anti-social water guzzler on the spot.
No need to take the old one to the dump, just send it to me :)
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Saving on water is important, some say crucial, and a few say life-or-death!
You will save about 1 cent per flush by switching from a 6.5 to 1.5 gallon
toilet. If you have guests 25 weekends per year and they use the potty ten
times each visit, you can bank $2.50 per year in savings.
At, oh, $250 for a super-dooper toilet, you'll recoup your investment in but
100 years (not counting interest and lost opportunity costs).
On the other hand a new wax ring will run you $3.00 and an hour's labor.
Praise the Lord and thank him for your old toilet. These low-flow
models mean you need to use a plunger every other time you take a
shit. I have one of those annoying newer toilets and am looking for
an old one to replace it. The low-flow toilets DO NOT save water
because you have to flush them 2 or 3 times after plunging to get the
crap to go down.
On 05/09/05 11:46 am snipped-for-privacy@UNLISTED.com tossed the following
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Perhaps there were (or still are) poorly designed low-flow toilets, but
we replaced two of our old water-wasting toilets that sometimes needed
multiple flushes by low-flow AS Champions that have never needed to be
plunged or to be flushed more than once.
I like my low-flow Cadet. Never have flushed it twice in the 3-4 years I've
owned it. I can't say that for my other 2 toilets. The Cadet works great,
has a stronger suction flush than my other toilets and it's a lot easier on
my septic system too.
American Standard makes the Cadet. I don't recall exactly what I paid for it
now but I think it was <$300. I bought mine through the Expo store (owned by
Home depot). It's a very good toilet. Here is a link:
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Our American Standard Champions were just under $250 (one at HD, the
other at Lowe's). I thought that the Cadets were cheaper than the
Champions, but they may cost more at HD Expo than at a regular HD
On Tue, 10 May 2005 09:23:24 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
A better choice is the Toto Drake. The Champion is rated to handle
500 grams, the Cadet is rated at 750 grams, but the Toto Drake is
rated at 900 grams per flush. All three are well above minimum
standard, but the Drake is clearly much better than either of the
American Standards. You can buy a Toto Drake at Homeclick
http://www.homeclick.com/showpage.asp?itemidq18 for $205.92 in two
whites, shipped right to your door. No shipping charge. No tax for
most states. You have to purchase a seat as it doesn't come with one.
See Terry Love's site at http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm for
data on most of the better performing toilets. Also read the MAP
report (pdf file) on the Toto Drake listing (first one.) We bought 3
Toto's from Homeclick and couldn't be happier with them. They are
packed so well for shipment, I had to make a trip to the dump just to
get rid of the packing boxes and foam inserts.
Does the description "Comfort ADA" on the Toto Drake, mean that it is 17" high?
I'm not disabled, but when I replace mine, I want a higher model. I looked at
Love's site, but height wasn't listed. TIA...
Yes, the ADA model is 16-1/2" high (without the seat) whereas the
standard model is 14-5/8" high (the one we bought.) You can see all
the specs on the Homeclick site if you click on Product Specifications
for each toilet.
On Mon, 09 May 2005 10:46:54 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@UNLISTED.com wrote:
Only with some of them. Our three 1,6 gpf Toto's have never failed to
flush completely on the first flush. Never! In fact, they flush much
faster and more complete than the much more expensive Kohler's that
The only reason to replace are for cracks or poor
appearance. You would never recover the cost
through water savings of a new unit.
A few years ago I refurbished our bathrooms (one
stool was cracked at the hold down and one just
looked awful). I replaced the cracked green
stool with a new white one. The awful looking
white one (we had used all sorts of stuff to try
to remove hard water rings and stains, and it
appeared to have scratches in it) I pulled and
left outside where it completely dried out. Some
of the hard water stuff cracked off, so I decided
to see what would happen if I used one of those
pumice blocks. To my amazement, it cleaned up
well and looked like new, so I reinstalled it. It
is now 30 years old and looks and works as well as
the new stool.
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