That of course presumes an adequate rainfall which one there normally
gets I presume. Excepting of course, in periods of drought when one
needs the extra most is when there isn't much refill. How often that
occurs where you are I don't know; out here it's often and we're in
midst of another severe 3-yr and counting cycle at the moment...
All depends on how the well actually produces...only having more
information and conducting actual tests will answer those questions.
See more extension comments elsewhere in thread....
Unless there is city water, insurance companies look more to the
tankers, etc, of the local FD than water on the property. I doubt even
the ones that have good pressure have any hydrants or other readily
available supply (with the possible exception of a pond)
?Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.?
On Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:15:27 AM UTC-7, Kurt Ullman wrote:
Correct. I have heard of areas that require huge water tanks be installed just for fire protection though. Can't recall where I saw that.
It doesn't matter how good a well is, the pumps installed are not capable of pumping enough volume/pressure to do much good fighting fire. Now agricultural places running those huge sprinkler systems might be able to install a hydrant.
Our local volunteer fire departments all have tanker trucks as well as the assorted fire/rescue/ladder types and still rely in the local fertilizer plant tankers to assist.
Technically? Sure. You could also look into having water delivered.
Inspections and permits would be required in most locations, especially if a
mortgage on the property is involved. But that brings up a potential issue you
may not have considered. Getting a mortgage on such a property will be difficult
If you are able to purchase for cash or finance privately, you also need to
consider the salability of the property in the future, which is likely to be
On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:33:19 PM UTC-4, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
I've bought and sold quite a few houses and I've never seen a bank
come test a well. Among other things, it's a bank foreclosure and the
bank holding it might be perfectly happy to give a mortgage on it to
a credit worthy buyer. If not, plenty of foreclosed houses are sold
and I doubt the mortgage company is coming out to carefully inspect
the water situation. If the house can't get a CO, now that would be
a real problem.
Unless it is something very unusual, there is no way a normal home well can
supply a fire truck with anywhere enough water. The well pipe will not
handle hardly any of the volume of water the pumper is goung to use. They
pump out 500 gallons in just a couple of minuits.
I doubt that the inusrance companies even care about water in the home well
when it comes to fire protection.
If there isn't a fire hydrant within 200', or a suitably large pond that
is consistently full, then rates will be a bit higher, but you will
still get insurance generally. In the case of a pond it is common to
pre-install a suction pipe into the middle of the pond at an appropriate
depth with a standpipe and fitting at the edge of the pond for ready
connection to the pumper truck.
And there's the kicker -- in an area w/ generally almost an order of
magnitude higher yield according to the OP, would one consider these
wells likely to be reliable for the long haul?
I'd worry just on that grounds alone...
I'd ten to not worry on those grounds. If the wells in the immediate
vicinity are higher yield, I'd expect this low yield well is being fed
from the same source, but via cracks in the rocks thus the lower yield.
Certainly there should be hydrology reports for the area that can give
I was joking with my Dad - too bad they didn't drill down at an
extreme angle - maybe they could have drilled over towards the neighbor
to the south who has good water flow, and get some of THAT water.
I am really left wondering, however, why didn't they locate one or
both of the wells farther from the house (and each other)? If the goal
is to increase the chance of finding good water flow, and each well
costs about $10,000 to complete, then I surely would have tried to
locate them on different parts of the property, to maximize my chances.
I am assuming that they drilled these two wells in 2012 because an old
and shallow well failed, similar to the property just to the north that
had the ~ 28' old farm well.
With 4 acres, the place has quite a bit of land to the east and
south. They could have easily drilled for water 100-500 feet to the
east, and anywhere up to about 120 feet to the south along that path as
well. Instead, both wells were within about 40 feet of the house. Is
it really that expensive to dig a 6 foot trench and lay poly pipe
between the well and the house? I can't imagine it is that expensive
compared to drilling the $10,000 well in the first place.
No, it's not and that's a goodly part of what doesn't make any sense at
all from what's been recounted so far...it was simply stupid to drill a
second hole (almost) on top of an already (essentially) dry hole.
And that seems excessively expensive well cost here -- as noted
elsewhere, we're expecting to drill new one probably this fall.
Indications from driller were to expect about $5k for 400 ft or thereabouts.
I am out in the country and there is not a hydrant within a mile or more.
Also no pond close by either. I did not have any problem getting fire
insurance. Not sure what my well puts out, but still with a 1 inch pipe it
is not going to do much for a fire.
Ohioguy wrote, on Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:01:41 -0400:
Out here, in Northern California, where it won't rain for 9 or so months
out of the year, we all have wells that are, on average four to five
hundred feet deep - and the code is that we need 15,000 gallons of
tank water, 10,000 of which is reserved for fire suppression.
One of my neighbors, who recently ran out of water, just drilled a new
well of 520 feet, which is getting 18 gallons per minute, and which hit
water at 300 feet initially.
You didn't mention where you live, but there is a chance you can
just go deeper, but, it costs about $100 a foot to drill, so, you're
looking at doubling the price of the property (although $64K is practically
free as property prices go. Just the yearly tax alone on a typical
Silicon Valley California property in a few years equals that much).
So, since the land is practically free, your main cost is the
well, which is an improvement that will allow you to live there.
I say spend the $50K or so to dig a 500-foot well, and you'll be
plus generally you cant just drill a existing well deeper, so the 500 foot existing well needs to be replaced, you cant just make it deeper.....
certinally before purchase its a good idea to check on homeowners insurance, avaiblity of mortage, get a home inspection and do you due dilligence..... check with local well drillers, the local municipality etc etc....
there was a fellow trying to sell a home around pittsburgh that had no dependable water, the well had collapsed, and the sewer line was higher than the home.
the local government refused to issue a certificate of occupancy. years later it was still in court.
around here many municipalties have begun requiring a certificiate of occupancy at home resale time.
this after some fires in homes in poor condition
On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:06:27 PM UTC-4, Danny D. wrote:
Is it particularly hard to drill there because of rock or something?
Around here, NJ, which ain't cheap, you can put in a well for less than
half that, ie 100ft, is ~$3500. It's a half day's work. If it's not
hard to drill, you're probably all just getting screwed by everything
in silicon valley being expensive.
Ralph Mowery wrote, on Sun, 03 Aug 2014 20:03:39 -0400:
Out here (Silicon Valley), *every* home that has a well, *must* have a
wharf hydrant, for the fire department. There are no exceptions.
One must also reserve enough water in tanks for the fire department.
The code is for 2/3 of the water (i.e., 10,000 gallons) to be reserved
solely for fire, with the 1/3 (i.e., 5,000 gallons) for the home.
I posted all the pertinent Santa Clara County fire department documents
in an associated thread already, so I won't back that up here (as it's
already backed up there).
DATE: 27, June 2014
TITLE: How to truck 1,000 gallons of potable water to a residence
NOTE: My well is 400 feet deep but my neighbor just drilled a 520 foot
well, which is producing 18 gallons a minute (which is far more than my
5 gallons a minute at 400 feet depth).
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