Got a problem with a clothes dryer not working. It leaves clothes wetter w
hen it is finished than when it started! That is because it doesnt seem to
get hot enough and a certain amount of water feeds into the drum in the no
rmal course of drying.
There is a sensor which I assume tells the element how hot to get and the
element itself. The sensor usually dies in this machine and I Have had to r
eplace a few of them. I check the wires and when they start to look burned,
a replacement sensor is needed. When I get the sensor out, one terminal us
ually looks completely burned.
However in the present case, I ordered a new sensor and then found that the
one in there LOOKS perfectly OK. The wires look burned but that seems to b
e because they burned on some last replacement occasion. When I pulled the
actual wires off, the terminals look OK and the sensor looks OK.
How can I check the sensor to see if it is really OK or whether the sensor
has now failed in some other way? Alternatively how can I check the termin
als of the element itself to see if it that part which needs replacement?
First, there's no way a dryer leaves clothes wetter than when they started
unless you have a water source feeding into the dryer.
You said "...and a certain amount of water feeds into the drum in the
normal course of drying." Really? From where?
That said, very often the type of problem you described is caused by a
blockage in the exhaust ducts, either internal to the dryer or the exhaust
hose and/or vent.
Cleaning the lint trip every time is a great idea, but it doesn't prevent
lint from building up in other places. I would check the outside vent for
buildup and the exhaust hose itself. If that doesn't help, you'll have to
get to the innards and clean out the ductwork within the dryer itself.
Thanks for the suggestion but we live in a small apartment and needed a
ductless dryer. It doesn't vent to the outside and besides the water outlet (I
have checked that one), there aren't any filters to clean out.
I never understood why it meeds to feed water into the dryer while it is drying
but it does. There is a water input for that purpose.
er when it is finished than when it started! That is because it doesnt s
eem to get hot enough and a certain amount of water feeds into the drum in
the normal course of drying.
element itself. The sensor usually dies in this machine and I Have had
to replace a few of them. I check the wires and when they start to look bur
ned, a replacement sensor is needed. When I get the sensor out, one termina
l usually looks completely burned.
he one in there LOOKS perfectly OK. The wires look burned but that seems to
be because they burned on some last replacement occasion. When I pulled th
e actual wires off, the terminals look OK and the sensor looks OK.
nsor has now failed in some other way? Alternatively how can I check the te
rminals of the element itself to see if it that part which needs replacemen
replace the connectors to the sensor, if they looked burned they are
they get high resistance and dont work reliably, they may heat up, the
burned look and interfer with sensing, or even ruin the new heater.
replace the connector and at least a few inches of the wiring, which
will mlikely look wierd from being overheated,..
Yes, it is a w/d combination unit but the washer bit works properly. The p
oint is that in a past repair, the manufacturer replaced the wiring but for
some reason kept the plastic casing around the connectors which look burne
I thought that the sensor had gone and spent a large amount of money on a n
ew sensor before discovering this. When I came to replace it, I discovered
that the sensor in the unit LOOKS new. So now i am wondering whether it is
sending the wrong message to the heater element or whether it is the heater
element which has gone bad.
So I was wondering how to test each (or whether something else is bad on th
he point is that in a past repair, the manufacturer replaced the wiring but
for some reason kept the plastic casing around the connectors which look b
new sensor before discovering this. When I came to replace it, I discovere
d that the sensor in the unit LOOKS new. So now i am wondering whether it i
s sending the wrong message to the heater element or whether it is the heat
er element which has gone bad.
is a appliance repair group, provide the name and model number of your
Actually I am not really sure how useful that site actually is
I did find a reference to this question being asked about an earlier model about
seven years ago. It then waited two years for someone else to answer with a
report of a similar problem.
No solutions despite this unit being in widespread use on both sides of the
Atlantic in various forms.
I could have told them to check the wires going to the sensor myself!! It would
probably have fixed one of the two problem reports or both of them. And the
manufacturer lists it as a commonly replaced part (along with the element, (big
point is that in a past repair, the manufacturer replaced the wiring but for
some reason kept the plastic casing around the connectors which look burned.
sensor before discovering this. When I came to replace it, I discovered that the
sensor in the unit LOOKS new. So now i am wondering whether it is sending the
wrong message to the heater element or whether it is the heater element which
has gone bad.
Since it is a combo w/d, and if the clothes are really wetter after a
dry cycle, I would suspect that there is a leak in the internal water
system. And the heat element can't overcome the leaked water.
Likely the water control valve. As a experiment, can you close an
External input water valve before a dry cycle starts ??
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:42:31 PM UTC-4, Retired wrote:
he point is that in a past repair, the manufacturer replaced the wiring but
for some reason kept the plastic casing around the connectors which look b
a new sensor before discovering this. When I came to replace it, I discove
red that the sensor in the unit LOOKS new. So now i am wondering whether it
is sending the wrong message to the heater element or whether it is the he
ater element which has gone bad.
n this unit)
Yes, I can close the water input valve but the unit then wont start.
Tried the site you mentioned but it doesnt list any of the names this unit
goes under: Euro-Pro, M alber, etc. I think it was probably made by Indesit
but dont think there is an Indesit model number!
The unit looks like a gigantic number of other units by lots of manufacture
rs but I suspect that one company makes the external casings for all these
machines in Italy and sells them on, So you cant easily identify it. That
was wny I was trying to look at how to test components.
The point is that in a past repair, the manufacturer replaced the wiring
but for some reason kept the plastic casing around the connectors which lo
on a new sensor before discovering this. When I came to replace it, I disco
vered that the sensor in the unit LOOKS new. So now i am wondering whether
it is sending the wrong message to the heater element or whether it is the
heater element which has gone bad.
on this unit)
That's interesting. A combined washer/dryer unit won't
do a dry cycle without water? That's one of the big drawbacks to
these combined units. More complex, easier for one little
thing to screw up the whole works. I think Retired's idea that
water may be leaking in is an interesting one, IF it's really
true that the clothes are coming out wetter than when they
went in. Water being added is the only way that's possible.
On the other hand, if that's what's happening due to a
leaking valve, then one would think it would continue with the
unit off and flood the place. I guess it's possible something
is screwed up that tells the valve to open at times when the
unit is active.
How about if the water is turned on when it's started
and then turned off once it starts drying? Maybe it checks
for water at startup and doesn't care after....
The point is that in a past repair, the manufacturer replaced the wiring but
for some reason kept the plastic casing around the connectors which look
a new sensor before discovering this. When I came to replace it, I
discovered that the sensor in the unit LOOKS new. So now i am wondering
whether it is sending the wrong message to the heater element or whether it
is the heater element which has gone bad.
"Retired," that's an excellent idea for a test to determine if there's a
leak within the system. By the OP's description this problem is not like
previous problems because the sensor does not appear to be burned as it has
in the past.
The OP can test the sensor if she has a thermometer and a meter that can
test for continuity. The sensor is designed to cut out (stops passing
electrical current) when a certain temperature, usually stamped on the part
itself, is exceeded. If this unit has failed in the "open" state then the
dryer's heating element will never kick in.
Another sensor prone to problems is the humidity sensor. That's a little
harder to test. You can try placing completely dry clothes in the dryer and
then turning on the dryer. If the sensor is OK it should run for a few
moments and then shut down right away.
I'd try "Retired's" suggestion of shutting off the water supply to make sure
that there's no leak that wetting the clothes as the dryer is trying to dry
If you think the heating element has failed, you can bypass the thermostatic
control sensor with a small jumper cable and run the dryer for a few
minutes. If it fails to heat up at all, a bad heating element could be a
distinct possibility. You can bypass the humidstat the same way. Remember
to remove the jumper when you've finished the test so you don't burn the
There are two things you should check right away:
1. The problem could be that the high temperature thermostat is gone.
Dryers have TWO thermostats; a 165 deg. F (typically) thermostat
that's used for both the "Whites & Colours" and "Permanent Press" dry
cycles and a 145 deg. F (typically) thermostat that's only used for the
"Delicates" dry cycle.
Try running the dryer on the Delicates dry cycle and see if it gets
quite warm, or at least warm enough to dry clothes. If so, then the
problem is a shot high temperature thermostat, and you need to replace
2. Electric dryers are 240 volt appliances...
..which means they will have TWO 30 amp fuses or circuit breakers
in the electrical panel providing power to the dryer. Check that both
fuses or circuit breakers are good/not tripped. If one fuse burns out
or one breaker trips, the dryer motor can still run properly (because it
works on 120 volts) and the heating element will get warm to the touch,
but not red hot, and it needs to be red hot to heat the air being drawn
through the dryer by the blower up to 145 or 165 degrees.
If the fuses or circuit breakers haven't blown/tripped and the
dryer doesn't heat on either thermostat, then I'd suspect the heating
Some dryers have a high limit safety switch that needs to be replaced if
the dryer overheats. In that case, you need to find the reason why the
dryer overheated and fix that problem, and then also replace the high
limit safety switch.
It would be nice to be able to determine how much current the unit is
drawing. Not sure how to do that short of isolating a service wire and
using a tong meter. I've not seen a Kill-o-watt meter that runs on 240VAC.
If the washing machine component is leaking into the dryer, even if the
heating element activates, there won't be much drying getting done. It may
be possible to detect a slight rise in temperature, though.
Still, I'd probably want to test the unit watching an ammeter to see if the
element was indeed cycling on and off. Sometimes the problem can be
short-cycling where the heating element is being activated, but for some
reason is not reaching operating temperature. There is probably another
thermal shutoff device located right on the heater element assembly that may
have failed but I've never serviced a combo unit and this may be foreign
made, as well, so who knows?
Good point. Put that under yet another reason why the element may not be
getting hot enough.
DerbyDad zeroed in on the number one cause of heating element trouble in my
experience - lint. I would start with a thorough blowout/cleanout of the
unit and the dryer vent before even looking at other issues.
Last time this happened to a friend (wet clothes) the dryer vent had become
home to a bunch of birds - house wrens, IIRC. I was amazed at how much
nesting material they had brought into the vent pipe. This happened even
with a bird flap on the exterior vent. They learned how to pop it open in
very short order and it probably helped keep them safe by keeping larger
The symptom of that fiasco was that the dryer vent pipe starting dripping
condensate inside the house at the point of the bird blockage. Oddly
enough, the water traveled quite a distance from the leak point along the
ceiling tiles and it didn't appear until a number of hours after the dryer
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:11:44 -0700 (PDT), Amanda Ripanykhazova
with clothes dryer not getting hot enough: How do you test a sensor?:
it is finished than when it started! That is because it doesnt seem to get hot
enough and a certain amount of water feeds into the drum in the normal course of
At first I thought this was a pretty lame troll; that no one would be
fool enough to fall for it. But then I see that several fools here
did indeed go for it; so I guess I was wrong.
when it is finished than when it started! That is because it doesnt seem to
get hot enough and a certain amount of water feeds into the drum in the
normal course of drying.
About a number of things. Checking Google doesn't reveal the profile of a
The added water could indeed be a failure of a combination washer/dryer
unit, as one of the posters you've labeled a "fool" correctly deduced.
So tell us, what leads you to believe you've been trolled? At least, if
this IS a troll, it's on topic, unlike so many other trolls here, and could
help someone in the future as well as the person asking the question. For a
*real* troll, check out the doghouse thread or most anything posted by
Dufas, the "entertainment troll" or Harry, the Brit that hates America.
Dufas, the self-confessed "I do it for entertainment" troll said:
No, no, no, Dufas, you're *already* confused. YOU are the one that
confessed to being a troll for entertainment purposes, an "admission against
interest" that will certainly come to haunt you. I am a troll HUNTER.
You'd better review your confession, troll, because you're wrong again,
right out of the starting gate. Wrong-Way Dufas strikes again!
I've not started an OT or political post in AHR for at least 5 years. But I
do respond to lying slimeball trolls who try, like terrorists, to disrupt
the normal flow of things to get their political message (usually lies)
across. Unlike you, who feeds nearly every troll that visits AHR, I usually
only respond to trolls if they are members of the group abusing their fellow
posters. That certainly sounds like a certain "entertainment troll" I know.
Perhaps the real meaning of your acronym P.L.L.C.F. is about you:
Puerile Loser Likes Creating Flames
You're infantile/puerile because you like to aggravate people and disrupt
adult conversations. You can't exercise any self control and repeatedly
blame others for your own errors. You're a loser that lost your job to a
less-qualified person (so you say - more likely you were dismissed for the
same sort of anti-social behavior you engage in here). Finally, you
confessed to being a troll that likes to make so much trouble that he hopes
it gives people aneurysms. In other words, a malicious and hateful little
person who gets his kicks stirring up trouble and wishing ill on people.
That's charming. You try to hide behind "I'm just joking BS" and then you
hope your trolling causes a potential fatal injury to someone. Prepare to
see a very ugly portrait of you painted with the many hateful thoughts
you've expressed like that from the archive. You ask us to believe what a
nice guy you are while expressing a hope your infantile behavior kills
someone. That's almost 100% pure hypocrisy and it's *very* malicious,
despite your protestations to the contrary.
Just like Chris did when he called HeyBub a Nazi, you stepped hard on your
wang and crossed the line with that hateful remark. Because you're poorly
socialized I know I won't get any sort of apology for that death wish from
you. In fact I am counting on it.
Booby? That's the *best* you've got? What are you, eight years old? You
can't even do a good job of making up a name. I can't imagine being such a
failure in life that I had to get my jollies trolling the newsgroups with
your (patented) "Constant Commiecrat Crap." If you need entertainment, go
bowling and not trolling.
Let's see. You're a senior citizen. You're a self-confessed 'entertainment'
troll. You live in Alabama. Hmmm.
I dub thee: Trolio Ol'bama Man. The Ol' guy from 'Bama who abuses and
trolls his fellow newsgroupers for his own "entertainment."
So Trolio, let's get to the "entertaining" part as I demonstrate to your
fellow newsgroupers how you're trying to play them. People don't like being
played. If you had some sort of functioning social radar, you might be
detecting that people are getting tired of your race-baiting antics.
A number of people have asked you not to act like a baby terrorist with your
OT rants. Your response was to tell us what a great guy you are because you
work through the pain. What self-serving hogwash. You don't even understand
how old and tired (like you?) your "Fig Pucker" responses are when you've
read them a dozen times. You're like a Pavlovian dog. Someone writes
"Test" in the header and you can count on old Trolio Ol'bama/Dufas to reply.
In fact we can count on you to respond to any troll or spammer that posts
here to clog up the newgroup even more than it already is.
You hate the "race card" but boy do you know how to play the "pity me" card.
Now *that's* low self-esteem. That swill you gave Dan to excuse your
trolling was pathetic. "I twy so hard to contwol myself!" But you don't do
a very good job because your Commiecrat flame-bait just oozes out of you
like pus from an infected wound no matter how hard you say you "twy."
I will, Trolio, because I know you'll read every word at least twice and
your bad behavior and wrong-headed views of the world give me plenty of
subject matter. Besides, you're a narcissist and so self-centered you
couldn't *possibly* skip over anything anyone writes about you, good or bad.
You misbehave deliberately to get attention, and now you're getting it. But
I don't think it's quite the attention you wanted. This is going to be
"entertaining" Dufas because you're already in waaaay over you head. I also
know from watching your behavior in the past that you'll do yourself in
because of your lack of self-control.
What was it that Kurt said about picking fights with people who buy ink by
the barrels? I used to write for a living and type 110wpm so I can deal
with you and your BFF troll buddies with one hand behind my back. You're
just not careful enough or good enough, Trolio. More importantly you've
left a goldmine of ammunition in the form of your endless whines and
confessions in the Google archive.
Playing a few rounds of "Dufas, This Is Your Life" will prove to be very
entertaining because you've said some pretty self-damaging things, like your
confession that you're a troll. Maybe there is *one* thing you finally got
right! You ARE a troll. A common, garden variety, living under a rock with
toads, troll. And you ADMITTED IT, dummy! What a maroon! No one cares
*why* you act like an idiot and post flame-bait except you. Another
The only way out now is a retraction. Just like men's room footsie-playing
gay Republican Congressman Larry Craig tried to pull. Do you have a
wide-stance defense for your trolling like he did?
Oooh, Trolio knows some BIG words. I hope you like sucking down "codswallop"
in the form of your own ill-considered words used against you. Make sure
you're up to this contest because I, unlike you, would not wish to make you
mad enough to pop a blood vessel. I do hope to make you mad enough to get
you to stop trolling AHR with your Commiecrat crap. If that doesn't occur,
at least I can expose you for the lying, race-baiting, disruptive,
self-centered attention hound that you are and make sure that every post you
make is replied to with the URL to your confession and a warning that you're
Sadly the war would be very asymmetrical because you're as much of a failure
as a sock puppet and a troll as you seem to have been in other aspects of
your life. Most smart people I know didn't have to work like a dog when
they were old or sick. Some how, oddly enough, you seem to be proud that
you weren't smart enough to plan for a future where you might be disabled or
old. That's why you can't win a battle of wits. You just don't know when
you're making a total fool of yourself (that would be perpetually, or so it
There are some very smart and sharp conservatives here that must really
squirm when they read the flame-bait stuff you post. They have to realize
that you're not very bright and that your ill-informed posts only damage the
true conservative cause. They know that trolls like you actually undermine
their message when it's clear they don't even understand who runs the
Library of Congress (hint: NOT Obama).
Those smart conservatives mostly seem to have been smart enough to have
planned for their future. So what happened to you? Oh, I remember. The
Bad Affirmative Action Man came and just *ruined* your life and you couldn't
recover no matter how hard you tried. You've been whining and complaining
about it ever since. You're *always* crying the blues, Trolio, about how
hard life is and how you have to work like a dog even though you're so sick.
I'd be embarrased to make such a pitiful and naked plea for attention and
special consideration - I thought you said you hated that? You've got your
own Affirmative Action program going right here in AHR! For you! How's
that for irony?
Just remember, Ol'bama Man, poor life planning on your part doesn't
constitute an emergency for the rest of us or give you the right to troll
the group to entertain yourself. Dan E. said it much more succinctly:
No one on the internet caused your problems and
putting up with trolls is not fun for the rest of us.
It seems you really want to tango so let's make sure you're medically up to
the war you're determined to start, Trolio. I don't want to have to deal
with you coming to the newsgroup and whining and crying that all the things
I said about you made you fall off a ladder or get pneumonia. You've already
played the crybaby "Wah, waahh!!! I'm sick, pity me" card to excuse your
poor behavior (trolling), so it's just natural I'd want to doublecheck your
health before I spanked your virtual bare ass like the juvenile,
self-confessed troll that you are:
So, sit down on the examining table, wittle boy, take this doll and point to
where the Affirmative Action Bad Man hurt you.
Now let's have some fun, Mr. Trolio Ol'bama!
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