Are you in warm location (Florida, or ?)? Concrete block and stucco?
Stucco is already painted? Present condition...peeling, cracked, mildewy?
My experience was in Florida, where almost all recent construction is
stucco on concrete block and using semi-gloss acryllic or "latex" paint.
Our condo had had a horrible paint job, with no prep, which resulted
in heavy mildew growth under the paint coat and much peeling. Pressure
washing is a must; our contractor sprayed on a bleach solution prior to
pressure washing....that seemed odd to me but it was a contractor with a
lot of commercial business, good reputation and the paint job lasted
fine 10 years afterward. There were many fine, hairline cracks in the
stucco and they used brushable (flexible) caulk prior to painting; that
concealed all cracks and the cracks did not reappear. The contractor
offered priming and one or two coats of paint in his bid; our condo went
for priming and once coat, which looked fine. We got the contractor's
name from a paint store, and as part of the paint co. guarantee process,
the paint co. sent a rep to inspect the preparation before the
painting was done. It was a big learning experience, and I think we
really lucked out...I helped the building manager at the time with
obtaining bids and managing the upheaval during three weeks of very
messy work - eight unit condo. A previous bid was $27,000 for
"elastomeric" paint, two coats. The bid we accepted, and I am not
likely to go for a lowest bid, was just under $7,000. One hell of a
difference, but I had a gut feeling about a minute after meeting the
contractor that he was the right one.
Comparing paint only by brand name is relatively useless...check out the
websites for a couple of paint companies and look at the products
recommended for your conditions, read the tech info for the product.
To be perfectly honest, I would be inclined to go with the painter that
intends to use SW Duration paint. This paint is widely regarded to be
Sherwin William's best exterior latex paint, and Sherwin Williams
generally makes good quality paints.
Consumer Reports NEVER EVER said that Behr was the best paint. They
gave it a "Best Buy" Rating because it's better quality than you'd
expect to get in a paint costing $18 per gallon. That's only because
when a hardware store chain decides to start selling their own house
brand of paint, they do surveys to find out what their customers needs
are, and what their customers feel decent quality paint should cost.
The hardware store chain then gets estimates from several different
paint manufacturers to supply it with paint costing from $25 to $40 per
gallon (for example) at a rate of 5,000 gallons per month (for example).
Each paint manufacturer sharpens up his pencil and figures out what he
can do, and since the price has already been determined, the volume
discount the hardware store chain would normally get ends up going to
the consumer in the form of better paint for the price they're paying.
The above is the ONLY reason why house brand paints like Home Depot's
Behr brand or Lowe's "American Tradition" paints often score "Best Buy"
ratings in Consumer Reports. But, since your average consumer knows
next to nothing about paint, they read more into that Best Buy rating
than they should, and conclude that it's the best paint available, and
What I'd do if I were you Dottie is to phone around to several other
painting contractors you haven't dealt with yet and just tell them you
have to choose between Sherwin Williams Duration paint and Behr Premium
Plus or Behr Marquee. Ask them which paint they would choose if they
were painting their own house. Discourage them if they start fishing
for information, such as where you live and whether you want a free
quote from them as well. Just tell them you want to know which paint
they'd use on their own house if given the selection you have to choose
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:59:12 PM UTC-5, nestork wrote:
That's not true. Apparently Consumer Reports gave Behr paints top ratings
based just on performance, not on price. And it wasn't an $18 product ei
Either that or the Boston Globe, among other sources, is lying:
It’s official: Home Depot’s Behr brand tops two of the three major type
s of exterior paints and stains. In fact, Consumer Reports’ results show
that there’s little reason to go anywhere but that store if you want a fi
nish that stands the test of time.
Flat and satin paints are what most people use on siding. Resistance to cra
cking, fading, and mildew after the equivalent of nine years outside helped
put Behr's Premium Plus Ultra Flat, $37 per gallon, and Satin, $39, at the
Behr interior paint has also been #1 for interior paints:
"While the Consumer Reports ratings vary depending on the type of paint fin
ish, Home Depot's paint, Behr, came out on top in all 3 finish types. The B
ehr Premium Plus Ultra was best overall, and has only 50 (claimed) VOC gram
s/liter at $31-$34/gallon. That's compared to Benjamin Moore Natura, which
also claims to have 50 VOC grams/liter at $50/gallon but came in at #12 for
low-luster finishes, #4 in Flat/Matte finishes and #2 in Semigloss finishe
s. Additionally, the Behr paint does not need a primer and may even need on
ly one coat, meaning it can go even further than the competition.
Here's the Consumer Reports rated top 5 for each finish type:
Low-Luster (Satin & Eggshell)
1. Behr Premium Plus Ultra (Home Depot), $33/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
2. Kilz Casual Colors (Walmart), $22/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
3. Valspar Signature Colors (Lowe's) $32/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
4. Glidden Premium (Home Depot), $20/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
5. Behr Premium Plus Enamel (Home Depot), $23/gallon, 150 VOC grams/liter
Flat & Matte
1. Behr Premium Plus Ultra, $31/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
2. Behr Premium Plus Enamel, $17/gallon, 100 VOC grams/liter
3. Valspar Signature Colors, $28/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
4. Benjamin Moore Natura, $50/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
5. Olympic Premium (Lowe's), $16/gallon, 0 VOC grams/liter
1. Behr Premium Plus Ultra, $31/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
2. Benjamin Moore Natura, $50/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
3. Valspar Ultra Premium (Lowe's), $23/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
4. Valspar Signature Colors, $32/gallon, 50 VOC grams/liter
5. Benjamin Moore Regal, $45/gallon, 150 VOC grams/liter
That's only because
Nonsense, per the above.
But, since your average consumer knows
Perhaps you should check your facts first before talking about consumers wh
knows next to nothing.
And finally, if you want to drag Sherwin Williams into it, I
find their business practices less desirable than either HD or
Benjamin Moore. At the BM store, I can get their paint any day for
$35 a gallon. The similar paint at SW is $55. Then every few
months SW has a big "sale", 40% off special. That makes their
paint about the same price that I can get at BM or HD any time.
I just had that experience with SW with a bonding primer. I
bought XIM Peel Bond at a local small paint store for $35.
That is widely regarded as the best product for that application.
At SW, for their similar product, it was $50, but because they
were having one of their super-duper 40% off sales, I got it
for $30. But if it didn't happen to be the sale time, SW prices,
at least at the store near me, are nuts.
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:48:08 PM UTC-5, Dottie wrote:
is stucco. One estimate was from a man who uses Sherwin Williams but the
other two were from men who uses Behr. One offers pressure washing with mo
ld/mildew remover, a sealer and two coats of Behr Premium Plus. The other
pressure washing with mold/mildew remover, one coat of Behr Marquee. (The
Marquee is said to include a sealer). It was not on the market when Consum
er Reports tested paints last year -- and named Premium Plus the best paint
. I am a little reluctant to rely on Marquee -- it costs more and hasn't b
een around long enough to know how well it will hold up. The painter using
it thinks I'm being silly. He and the other painter (Prem.Plus fan) have
both been in business about 25 years.
to screw up. Thanks.
The house (according to property appraiser) is 1664 sq.ft. Estimates rang
e from $2,500 to $2,085. The lower estimate includes a discount for using
Angie's List. There was another one for $2400 which includes a $200 discou
nt for Angie's List and one from a man who uses PPG Paints. He painted the
house behind me and it looks good. He is not licensed or insured in my co
unty though ... and his price was $2,200.
Sounds like you have the process of getting prices etc. under control, and
the prices are all falling within a reasonable range of each other.
For a relatively small job like this that shouldn't take long to do -- maybe
2 days (+/-) -- the only other suggestion that I would have is to not pay
any money up front. No deposit, no money for materials, etc. Just tell the
contractor that you will pay him/her in full as soon as the job is
Once you pay a contractor any money or deposit up front, he/she already has
most or all of his "profit" in his pocket before doing any work. So, there
is little incentive to show up and get your job completed. If you pay in
full when the job is done, with no money down, the incentive is to show up
to your job, complete the job, and get paid.
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