Just off the top of my head, a couple ideas.
1) Longer tube length, needs larger diameter.
2) Wouldn't want to use any kind of tube that requires cement, as that would
put a bunch of organic solvents into her breathing oxygen. No PVC with
cement, for example.
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My wife just got home from the hospital with an oxygen concentrator
and some tanks.
ISTM that the best setup for us would be to keep the concentrator
upstairs in the bedroom- and run a second line through the floor to
the living room below.
The guy last night says they are made to run 24/7. I'm thinking a 2
way valve and some sort of grommet to go between floors should do me.
The valve is no rush- I'll pick that up online and just plug/unplug in
I'd like some feedback on the 'floor grommet' first. the floor
upstairs is a floating laminate floor over 1x8 shiplap. [it is a 100+
yr old house] There are 2x8 joists- and 1/2" sheetrock below.
In my mind I'm picturing 2 pieces of 'pipe' with flattened/flared
ends- drill the hole, and insert from both sides.
Is there such a thing? Or do I buy 2 grommets and a piece of pipe?
This will be more or less permanent-- If we're 'lucky'- we'll be using
this setup for a few years. OTOH- when it is no longer necessary,
it would be nice to leave and easily plugged pair of holes.
The concentrator company should be willing to give you some extra
line. The tubing is cheap and any supplier should have plenty on the
truck. Although some have suggested a larger tubing, it must be
certified for medical oxygen as you don't want to carry any sort of
plasticisers in the tubing to the patient.
The maximum the concentrator should have is a 50' extension or you
will get a lot of line loss. If say, she is on 2 liters, you can bump
it to 2.5 to compensate a little. They also have connectors so you
can put together two 25's to get what you need.
The cannula should be changed at least once a week (they should have
given you a bunch) but the straight tubing will last a very long time.
Once a month someone should be coming out to check the machine and
test the oxygen levels. That person should also be carrying supplies
so be sure to ask for whatever you need.
The tanks are for portability. They can also be used in the event of
power failure, but Medicare won't pay for that use, only portability.
If for any reason, you can't get what you need, you can change
suppliers. Every area usually has a few and you don't have to stick
with the one your doctor or hospital recommends.
Call your electric company, since you are using life support
equiptement the electric company will put you FIRST in the event of a
outage. if a power failure occurs call them immediately and remind
them of life support
Extra line is no problem. They gave me (2) 40' lengths. One gets
her around either floor fairly well. But rather than dragging the
concentrator up and down stairs several times a day I'd like to just
use a 40' length on each floor-
I would still use the supplied tubing-- I just wanted an easy way to
drop it through to the floor below. We're fortunate that the LR
is right below the bedroom- so the 'base area' is the same day and
They left lots of those and said the 'regular' guy would be out in a
week or so. [She was discharged at 5PM with a tank- and the company
was called. The driver called and said he'd be here in 4 hours- he
got here a little after 9 and had 8 more stops to go. [from 7AM --
good kid, I sure wouldn't want *that* job.<g>]
The hospital was cagey on this one. They made my wife pick from the 7
they had listed. She took the one that was founded by a gal her mom
used to ride with in the local rescue squad. If they come
through with a mask today- we'll stick with them. [can't believe they
didn't include the mask-- and need a script to bring me one--- when
she falls asleep her mouth opens, and she doesn't get any oxygen-- It
seems to me that can't be that unusual.]
Sounds like you've been this way-- anything else we need to remember
when the guy shows up next week?
I used to do new starts on weekends. Sometimes you did nothing, other
times you got callas at all hours. Like the time I drove 40 miles at
11 PM because the elderly couple could not find the "on" switch on the
unit after it was shut off earlier.
It is not that unusual and you don't really need a mask. The constant
flow through the cannula gives enough oxygen that you will breath in a
higher level through the mouth. Some people put the cannula on upside
down to point the outlets towards the mouth.
Even though we need oxygen to live, you cant get it and some of the
equipment without a script.
Be sure he shows you where the filter is so you can clean it every
week or so. That is the only maintenance you have to do. If they did
not show you already, learn how to change the portable tanks and
regulator. If you are going to be going out a lot, there are some very
small portable units that make it easier to do so. They use smaller
tanks and are lighter and easily carried. They are expensive and
since the company gets a fixed price, they are reluctant to give them
to patients that don't need them.
If you do go out often, inquire about liquid oxygen. You have a large
(70 pounds) canister at home and you fill a portable from it as
needed. It is silent, it is easy to use. It is more costly and less
convenient for the supplier so many are reluctant to give them to
patients. They have to be filled every 7 to 10 days. We've used them
when a patient went on a week long trip too by fitting it into their
Don't know if they both needed it-- but I am amazed at how important
o2 is to any kind of coherent thought. My wife couldn't find the
switch this morning.
Ah thanks-- good tip. I'm glad you said that because that was
essentially what the O2 place said and I would have been a little wary
about it if I hadn't heard it here first.
I wonder if the abuses might be-- or is there just that good a medical
o2 lobby.<g> The hospital case manager is putting in a call
to the o2 company -
The guy who dropped off the concentrator mentioned the filter and said
it would go back tot hem for service in [6 months?] -- I'll poke
around for a model number and see if I can confirm that before the
other guy comes out.
He said they'd drop a couple of the smaller tanks [pocket-book size]
but he just had the bigger ones on the truck.
I'll keep that in mind. See how the tanks and delivery work out--
appreciate your help- Help-
I would suggest being very careful and definitely checking with your wife's
medical providers before putting on any kind of O2 mask at night. The
machine puts out low-flow O2 via a nasal cannula which you can set to the
proper setting, such as 2 LPM or whatever is prescribed. But, while that's
on, the patient is also breathing in room air. With a mask on, it restricts
the amount of room air that can be breathed in (sort of like breathing into
a paper bag), and I doubt that the 2 LPM of O2 going into the mask would
make up for the reduction in room air being inhaled.
So, unless there is some special mask for this type of situation that I
don't know about, I would be concerned that placing a mask on at night could
cause hypoxia (lack of oxygen). Of course, maybe there is some type of mask
that would work in the type of scenario you are describing (sleeping at
night and mouth breathing with a mask on), but I am not aware of one.
The o2 place didn't go into that much detail-- but from what they
said, you are probably spot on. They said a mask would only be used
with 6ml of o2-- and she is on 2.
Thanks-- I love it when this group is all that it can be.
My late friend GB had O2 from his machine running around the house with
tubing but the problem he had was rolling over in his sleep and pinching
off the oxygen supply to his cannula. He would wake up feeling quite
uncomfortable only to realize there was a kink in the O2 line. My friend
was a 71 year old Juvenal delinquent who would hide his smoking from me
and his family even after losing a lung to cancer, the addiction was too
strong. We all miss him. O_o
The one we had could easily be carried anywhere in the house. We could
have bought it for $700 but it was rented by our insurance.
We didn't move it though. We placed it near the bottom of the stairs,
and got enough tubing to reach anywhere in the house from there.
They make squeezable hose clamps, although I don't kow if they work
for the size hose you'll be using. You squeeze to open. shaped
like a genie's bottle plus the finger parts.
But valves are readily available on the web.
Don't try to go through the joists. Other than that, I'll bet you
can go years without much wear on the hose, and that the hose won't be
expensive to replace every 5 or 10 years. By leaving slack, you can
pull the hose out of the hole every year and see if it has abraded
much. By firmly attaching the hose one or two feett away from the
hole on each side, you can prevent any abraision except that caused by
your house shaking. IOW, it might last 100 years.
That's why the hole should be just a little bigger than the hose, and
no extra nail holes or anything. You can probably put it at the edge
of at least one** of the rooms, like cable tv. **Where it will come
out in the other room may take some work to predict. When I ran
cable, I was able to drill a hole in a closet that came out just above
a bookcase the previous owner had built. Had he built the bookcase a
little "better" this couldn't have happened. I've had this co-axial
cable groing from the 2nd floor to the first, and from the first to
the basmenet, and from the basement back up to the kitchen. And from
the 2nd floor up to the attic adn down throug the wall to the bathroom
and the office, for 30 years, and haven't even considered checking on
abrasion I'm sure there is no more than a micron or two.
They make 12" drills and longer, and 36" and flexible even , with a
little hole near the tip, so you can drill the hole, pull back a
piece of wire, attach that to the hose and pull it through the hole.
I hope your wife is feelign well. I've seen those oxygen
concentrators advertised on tv, adn I looked them up in wikip. Just
watching tv, it sounded like snake oill, but it's amazing. I'm not
cleverr enough to think of such a thing.
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