Heh,my first car,a 64 Triumph Herald I had built from two junkers,I finally
got my license and plates,took the car out for it's first drive outside of
my parent's backyard. I forgot to tighten down the lugnuts on one wheel,and
the wheel came off right in a 6 inch deep puddle.Fortunately,at low
speed,and the nuts were still in the hubcap. Important lesson learned.
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:42:03 -0500, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
I almost had it happen. Driving across NJ, the car was making a
noise. For some reason I decided it was a front wheel bearing, or
something. When I got to Allentown Pa. I looked at the lug nuts were
loose. The tire had been wobbling. I had ruined the threads on 2 or
<<Well, after I read that line I assumed the rest of the post was going
to be about how she thought you were trying to impress her, which is
at least as reasonable of an interpretation, especially for anyone
who's never ridden in a convertible with the top down (if you've only
seen it on TV or in the movies, you might think your hair wouldn't
move). Not to mention that this is a singles event where she's had
guys trying to impress her for the last 3 days...
You probably could have spared another 3 seconds to be more clear...>>
Agreed. "I have a convertible - will that be a problem for you? I always
ride with the top down, no matter if my passengers have allergies, skin
cancer issues, etc." Those extra words would have conveyed the conditions
of the ride. Just saying "I have a convertible" communicates little more
that vanity. As if it would KILL someone to ride with the top up just once
to be gallant. Sheesh. Chivalry IS dead. And so will many convertible
owners be, long before their time from skin cancer.
No wonder the OP is going to singles events. Marriage, like politics, is a
series of compromises. Nothing communicates "I'm not a good choice for a
mate" more than the inability to "suffer" through something as horrible as a
single top-up ride in a convertible. Sheesh. It literally says "my comfort
is more important than your discomfort." Ask any woman how attactive that
As for melanoma, it's moving up fast as one of the top killer cancers in the
country. As a convertible owner, the OP is far more likely to die of
melanoma than a hardtop driver. As an intransigent convertible owner, that
death is also more likely to occur without a significant other to care. Was
she supposed to hold her hat (if she had one) on her head throughout the
whole ride? Or shampoo in sunblock?
<<Approximately 65 percent of melanomas-the most deadly form of skin cancer
and one of the fastest growing cancers in the United States-are attributed
to ultraviolet (UV) exposure from sunlight or artificial sources such as
Melanoma is most common in men over the age of 50 (more common than colon,
prostate, and lung cancer). It is also one of the most common cancers in
people under the age of 30. Melanoma is the most common form of cancer for
young adults 25 to 29 years old and the second most common cancer in
adolescents and young adults 15 to 29 years old. Every time you burn your
skin, you increase your risk of developing melanoma and other skin cancers.
This is especially true of sunburns at a young age. Just one blistering
sunburn can double your chances of developing melanoma later in life.>>
1. More than 6000 years. Not sure what the current best estimate is, but
lots higher than that.
2. Until 100 years or so ago, only a small percentage of population made
it past 60. And of the ones that did, few were field workers. Sadly, due
to sloth and bad dietary choices and lack of exercise, we are headed
that direction again. We got a temporary spike from modern medicine and
sanitation and large-scale farming making food cheap, but most people
can't be bothered to even learn how to maintain their own bodies as well
as they do their cars.
The secret to how man "worked the fields" for 6000 years in the sun is that
they DIED by age 30. It's specious to claim melanoma is suddenly a problem
after 6000 years of successfully working the fields in the sun. Such
implications can't possibly figure into this argument in any reasonable way.
"Mankind" might have survived 6000 years in the sun, the story for
individuals wasn't so rosy. Skin and other cancers were actually one of the
causes of death back at least 2400 years ago and probably much earlier:
<<The mummified skeletal remains of Peruvian Incas, dating back 2400 years
ago, contained abnormalities suggestive of involvement with malignant
So the supposedly miraculous secret out ancestors used to avoid dying from
melanoma caused by working in the fields was by *dying* by before it could
get them. Not a strategy I would recommend for modern humans.
Interestingly enough our OP pointed out that this horrible,
convertible-hating woman was 30+ and thus had a very reasonable fear of skin
cancer. She had probably also seen some of the elderly former "sun bunny"
matrons in places like Florida who end up with spotty, leathery skin full of
lesions and other nasties and didn't want to go down that path. My wife
looks 20 years younger than her real age and that comes from being "sun
smart" and wearing sun hats and sun block along with avoiding convertibles,
a car that can be opened by anyone with a buck knife that offers poor
protection in a roll-over accident.
As for how long people actually lived in the past 6000 years:
Bronze Age and Iron Age 26
Classical Greece 28
Classical Rome 28
Pre-Columbian North America 25-30
Medieval Islamic Caliphate 35+
Medieval Britain 30 At age 21, life expectancy of 59 for British aristocrats
Early Modern Britain 25-40
Early 20th Century 50-65
Current world average 67.2
That's clearly born out by the aristos living nearly twice as long as the
serfs out in the fields who were getting skin cancer from their working
unprotected in the sun. Of course, some societies were smarter then others
and used large straw hats to protect them from the sun. Chinese straw hats
and Mexican sombreros come to mind as but two examples.
They maintain their cars well? Where? Who? (-:
In some history course or another I learned that civil engineers have saved
far more lives than doctors could ever hope to.
Convertibles are slightly less likely to roll over than the hard top
of the same design. Mine never have. :)
When the top is down and maybe when it's up, the non-existent or maybe
lighter top lowers the center of gravity.
And the reinforcing of the frame, to make up for not having a top,
lowers the center of gravity.
And Pontiacs had wide-track, which was about an inch wider other
But the '72 to '76 GM convertibles with the scissors top was designed
that way because GM thought NHTSA was going to regulate roof strength
for convertibles. It never did, and the scissors top broke a lot and
was an incredible pain to adjust -- I didn't know how -- and once it
broke my rear window, and the next day rippped a hole in my own top.
I was already looking for another car then.
Dunno. Never had much interest in owning easy-open cars. I rented a few
when I had business in CA but the thrill wore off after the first serious
golfer's sunburn. Plus, it can be kind of cold on the coast highway. I can
understand the "I paid for a convertible, it's sunny and damnit I'm going to
ride with the top down" feeling. I realized that I was the only one of many
convertibles on the highway that day that DID have his top down. Hmmm.
Still, the natives could wait for a warm day. That day was my only shot.
I wonder if Budget still rents Porsches, Jags and US convertibles? They
were expensive but it's a great way to sightsee in the rich places without
getting stopped by the local police. Melanomas be damned, I did have fun
driving around Malibu and Pebble Beach in XJ6 convertible that someone ELSE
had to maintain! As I recall that f'uc&ing convertible had this big steel
plate attached to the windshield that smashed a 6' guy in the left temple
HARD until you learned to swing around it. Ouch! IIRC, they wouldn't rent
Jags or Porsches to locals - you had to be from out of town!
Had some good times out at the Naval Postgraduate in Monterey. Was
personally haunted by the ghost of John Steinbeck at the Salinas River.
Paid for a beachfront hotel room in San Diego and got to watch a seal
carcass rot right outside my patio. (Can't touch 'em, California green kook
law!) They comped me an extra day for the rotting seal. That's better than
the $10 credit I got for bedbugs (no questions asked, BTW) at a Sheraton
near the US Army War College at Ft Leavenworth. No Jags or Porsches for
rent there - just building after building with a statue of a cow or bull on
top. Great steakhouses, though.
As for rollovers, if I had a choice, I'd choose a hardtop, especially if I
was rolling through the underbrush. Admittedly, I've only known one person
that rolled their car so as Kurt says, we all seem to have a bad sense of
real risks. I have known a number of people who have damaged their ragtops
in a wider variety of ways so I'll fall back on that as a reason to stick
with a metal roof.
Not true. In my house, I'm the Supreme Commander and what I say goes. See
This is Ed's wife. Yes, we obey him and our goal in life is to make him
See, I'd not lie about that. She just went back to reading her book now so
don't bother asking her for details.
You could share decisions.
My ex-wife made all the minor decisions, like where we should live, what
school the kids would attend, and whether I should ask for a raise.
I, on the other hand, made the major decisions: whether Red China should be
admitted to the U.N., whether Nixon should resign, and if the U.S. should
join the International Monetary Fund.
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