OT Political

Facts are only incidental for those filled with hatred, resentment and ideological agendas.

us and shattering surprise is possible even when we have been warned,? ?

How about if the stabbing in the back was in the context of the person who got stabbed saying "I'm gonna kill you MF!", and turning around to reach for a gun on the table? That is context for you and why you can't take Newt out of context, which is what you did, while specifically claiming the tweet was "standalone".

We're having an altercation. I yell out "I'm gonna kill you, MF"! I turn around to reach for a gun on the table. If you stab me, in the back, you're a coward, right? Another lesson on why what precedes, context, are so important.

The extent of mayhem and destruction which can be achieved is tremendous if, the perpetrators are willing to die for their cause.

If one were to conduct an objective after action assessment of the

Yes, a lot of Muslims have died, but that is of no import to the ideologues. Human life is the cheapest of all commodities and the taking of Muslim lives by the west provides a tremendous return on investment for our enemies.

A point I believe almost everyone here has acknowledged from the start. Now explain how one comment that didn't come out right, makes one a "traitor". BTW, where was OBama on Pearl Day? At Pearl? No. WWII Memorial down the street from the WH? No, Pence and McCain were there. Did he make a radio address, TV address to the country? What does that make him?

On PH Day, I'd be praising the survivors, vets, more than America in general.

He was obviously upset about the comments. I wanted to try to understand why he was upset. It doesn't hurt or invalidate my position to try to understand *why* someone else is reacting. We can actually get to a point that we can agree to disagree.

I understand where he's coming from, but I don't have to agree with his conclusion in order to understand why he feels the way he does.

It makes thinking about complex issues simpler and easier to keep score, I guess. I had that reaction too. I mean we should be for freedom, human rights, and to the extent these regimes oppress their people,' we should be against that, but I'm not sure that automatically makes them our enemies.

I'm sure he would have figured that out on his own.

The way you communicate is you have to jump on a particular issue where you can win a point and you think that makes you superior, but you never try to understand why people are upset or why they're saying what they've said. It's always either black or white with you - never anything in the middle.

Sure, there were 3 tweets, but even you got that wrong, initially, because you said there were only 2.

How many tweets existed wasn't the issue Philo was bringing up. It was that one particular statement that bothered him. I found out why it bothered him, and I understand why it bothered him. It doesn't invalidate any position I have because he interpreted that statement differently than I do.

Do you realize how immature you come across when you call people "the village idiot"?

The same can be true for anyone who has any kind of vested interest in their own conclusions.

No reason it should IMO; however, doing so is good for some, namely, the military and those who profit from war and turbulence. The government too; an enemy - real or perceived - allows them to implement things that would not normally be allowed. Just ask Dubya.

We spent close to a half century with the country all riled up over the godless, communist USSR who never did jack squat to us except - possibly - enable the allies to win WW2. During that tine the US was directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions of people all over the world, all in the name of making the world safe for democracy, whether they wanted it or not.

Well, the USSR went away so we needed another enemy. We got it. We got it largely because of the US actions during the aforementioned half century.

Time for me to sign off now...

Fun arguing with you all but my wife and I are having 50 guests tomorrow for our yearly open house .

A week ago she broke her wrist (she'll be fine) and looks like I have a lot of work to do. ( My step-daughter and her boy friend will pitching in to help.)

Anyway no more time for this discussion.

Considering I'm the dumbest and most illogical one here, though you folks did a pretty good job against me...it's nice to know at least that I am not Hubert Humphrey-II like your good buddy there Newtered Gingrich.

Have to admit that in 3rd grade I kicked the school bully in the butt when he bent over to tie his shoe. (He came up awfully bloody.)

He never beat me up again and even all through high school no one messed with me because they knew I'd find a way to get them back.

Agreed, sometimes it is ok to stab someone in the back depending on the situation

Oh maybe I was was not being politically correct.

I seriously doubt there are any "special snowflakes" in this group.

"if" is the biggest word in the English language

Not confused just a bit miffed however

I said that I quoted his Tweet completely.

Even though he made two other tweets that day, the one I had issue with was the one I quoted

Most of my life I've heard that Communists are evil. Communism is evil and I've wondered about it.

Though a modified version of it seems to be working for China and Vietnam, it certainly did not work out so well for USSR/ Russia, Cuba and N. Korea

As I eventually learned, Communism strictly in theory is not necessarily evil but in practice the Communist governments are very evil.

So while I was on the Army 1969/71 I was in air defense along the Czechoslovakian boarder. Out purpose was to show the USSR our presence and to tell the truth I did not think what we did was very much.

Now looking back at the way USSR and now Russia behaves, had the US not been there, USSR/ Russia would have marched right in.

For all it's faults, I'd live the American way of life any day that spend my life in a Communist country.

That said, out of necessity the US had to be friends with USSR to beat Germany during WWII.

Possibly more than anything else, the Russian Winter is what defeated Germany

...and tweets are like farts.

There you go again. Saying he made two other tweets that day makes it sound like they were separate events, widely spaced in time. One immediately preceded it, by two mins, and it placed what followed in context. It's like quoting once sentence from a paragraph and then when caught claiming that it's "standalone", saying, the author has written other things on the subject.