OT Political

philo · 2016-12-08T14:55:22+00:00

Though I've been keeping my political remarks to a minimum ...here is the exact quote from Gingrich. He made this yesterday on the 75th anniversary of Pearl Harbor: "75 years ago the Japanese displayed professional brilliance and technological power launching surprises from Hawaii to the Philippines." One would think the day would have been a good one to praise America but instead he chose to praise the enemy. As a veteran who has come from a family of veterans I am beyond sickened at such a traitorous and disgusting remark. The above quote was a "stand alone" quote and was not been taken out of context. Had the statement been part of of a broader analysis it might have been a different issue but it's false no matter how one looks at it. The US military knew Japan was going to attack, it was generally thought that it would be more likely to occur in the Philippines. As to the "brilliance" most of the US fleet was out to sea and from a purely tactical move on the part of Japan, probably could not have been a worse day. It's going to be very difficult for Trump's team to sink below this level, but Trump is pretty smart and I'm sure things will get even worse. Perhaps Gingrich can praise the "911" attackers next.

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philo 9 years ago

Of course I have no idea what Roosevelt knew

but with Gingrich it's an easy case because we have all read his Tweet.

In my book when Gingrich did not say one word in praise of America but instead called Japan's attack "brilliant" he's a traitor.

Had he used the word "evil" instead I'd not have gotten upset.

In my book it was a sneak attack in no way different from "911".

That said, had Japan won the war, they'd be calling the shots now, and had the war ended in victory for them, then the Japanese might look at it as brilliant. That did not happen.

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philo 9 years ago

Put it this way concerning Newt:

When Trump lied during his campaign, afterwards, Gingrich called it a good campaign "device" .

But yes you do have a point but nothing will change my mind as to what a low-life Gingrich is.

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philo 9 years ago

Anyone who stabs someone in the back with a knife is a coward.

People who commit suicide are the biggest cowards of them all.

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philo 9 years ago

Thank you. No matter how crappy of an argument I made, what Gingrich said just plain did not come out right.

Bottom line though: he had zero praise for America

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philo 9 years ago

I think I've heard that too.

BTW: When I was a kid, the guy next door was stationed at Pearl Harbor.

He was below deck pressing his pants. After the heard the explosions, he came up and the whole top of the ship was heavily damaged. Sure wish I could remember what ship he was on...but I assure you he would have puked to have seen Gingrich's Tweet.

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philo 9 years ago

Right now I am re-living WWII

I'm in the middle of The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer

I had seen the movie many years ago and have forgotten it...but the book is absolutely brilliant.

If anyone here would have been reading the book when Newt made that statement. they'd be just as upset as I was.

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philo 9 years ago

Yep he's a very ill individual.

That said, I see Trump is getting some criticism for surrounding himself with a lot of retired top-brass.

Truth is I think that may not be a bad move as they know the consequences of war. It's the civilians such as Newt who would have washed out of basic training who are all too eager to send other people's kids off to war.

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philo 9 years ago

On Twitter statement do in fact just pop out of the blue so to speak.

The others here have posted a separate Tweet he made. When both Tweets are taken together as a whole, it makes no difference.

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philo 9 years ago

War is always hell

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philo 9 years ago

Thanks. Gingrich's statement was just not the thing to do.

My issue was not only calling the dastardly attack "brilliant", it was that he completely ignored America

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philo 9 years ago

I am not talking about Obama, we are now done with him...but we do have

4 or 8 more years with Trump and his crew.

For the most part they are a bunch of gutless, spineless ass kissers.

Where the hell is Teddy Roosevelt...at least he said "bully."

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philo 9 years ago

Ok thanks

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dadiOH 9 years ago

Two points of order, net nannying, whatever you eant to call it.

The only generals around Pearl Harbor are there as gusrs, probably for lunch.
"Eminent" and "imminent" are two different things (for philo too).

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dadiOH 9 years ago

Why?

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dadiOH 9 years ago

There were about a half dozen radar sites on Oahu at the time, none at Wheeler AFB (there was one at adjacent Schofield buy I don't know if it was operational); both are in the center of Oahu. The one that picked up planes was Opana Radar Site which was near Kahuku which is at the NE tip of Oahu.

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dadiOH 9 years ago

I am glad you qualified it with "that day" else I might have had to mutter, "Nanjing" (et al).

As far as attacking civilians goes, would you consider the day & night bombing - up to 2000 bombers per day - of German cities to be the act of terrorists? How about the fire bonbing of Hamburg? Of Dresden? Of Tokyo? Hiroshima & Nagasaki, terroristic acts?

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dpb 9 years ago

On 12/08/2016 3:41 PM, philo wrote: ...

Excepting as noted, it's highly unlikely just such a sentence would be the result on its own, and...

as it turns out it wasn't. I saw the other comment and while alone it still isn't anything offensive to anybody but somebody looking to be offended, it is then with the earlier very clear that Newt was putting out a serious warning on a serious day about being caught unprepared (yet) again...which is the sort of think I'd think/expect from Newt; as said, whether you agree/disagree with his politics, he's no dummy.

Clearly you can't see the forest for the trees in letting your personal dislike cloud any judgment on content. "Shoot the messenger, it _might_ be good news!"

But, continue to rail at your heart's content for what good it does...you probably should as I suggested earlier, ignore all such postings; you'll only be upset for no purpose otherwise.

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