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at the inn. CBS was showing the flooding in California. Farm crops are ruined and replanting might be months ahead. Houses are teetering on the edges of cliffs. People are forced out of their houses due to water being knee deep or more. CBS showed one failed levee that was supposed to be strengthened someday. I think California billed itself as a sanctuary state. Yet there's no place for people to shelter in emergencies. Maybe it's just an issue of the current storms being thousand year events. Thank goodness the little smelt fish is swimming along nicely. Reservoir construction was halted in some cases due to concern over the fish surviving.

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Dean Hoffman
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Which is terrible for those affected, to be sure.

In the areas affected by flooding, this is a fact; noting that most of those fields had been fallow over the winter. State regulations require 60 days before replanting flooded land.

However, California is a very, very big state and the vast majority of farmland has not flooded. Locally, the garlic fields have loved the rain.

To be sure, but then this happens regularly with the homes built on eroding shorelines in the rest of the country as well. Again, it is a very small percentage (10s of houses) out of the 10s of millions of homes in California.

Again true, but that level of flooding affects something like 10 square miles out of 163,696 square miles in California (e.g. the flooding in Pajaro - pronounced PA HA RO). That said, one can expect additional river flooding as the record snow pack melts this spring and summer. Yosemite's waterfalls will likely run all summer this year and the state reservoirs will all be full.

Mammoth Mountain has recieved 600 inches of snow this year, so far, with more on the way. Almost 800 inches at the 11,000 foot summit.

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That was the Pajaro river levee which has failed in the past. Work was scheduled to start in 2024. I drive by there on my way to the beach weekly.

It does indeed claim to be such. Which has nothing to do with flooding.

Oh, BULLSHIT.

"The closest evacuation shelter to the community of Pajaro is the Santa Cruz Fairground. 2061 E. Lake Blvd, Watsonville."

Which is about 5 minutes drive from Pajaro.

There has been no reservoir construction for five decades, so there is no construction to "halt". There is a proposal to build a new reservoir in the Pacheco pass, construction is expected to start in a few years.

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The issues with smelt and salmon have to do with ensuring that enough water flows to the ocean year round to enable the salmon and smelt to spawn in the spring and summer, which requires releasing from the reservoirs during certain times of the year. That water cannot be used by the farmers in the central and san joaquin valleys, so they bitch and moan about it.

The reservoirs have done a fantastic job of preventing massive flooding in the central valley, which was common in the late 1800's and early 1900's before the reservoir system in northern california (particularly Shasta which holds 4.5 million acre-feet) was built in the first half of the

20th century.
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Scott Lurndal

ROFL. That's a good one. That there has been no reservoir construction was precisely his point. None being built is halted. How much has California's population and water needs increased in 50 years? And I'll bet that environmental extremists are a key reason that it's not being built. We see it all the time. Here in NJ these nuts are now calling for a halt to surveying the ocean as part of the process to build offshore windmills. It's like always, the environmentalists tell us we have to get energy from wind and moon beams, then when it actually comes time to do it, they object to that to. In the case of the windmills, these loons claim that some dead whales washing up on the beaches were caused by using sonar to map the ocean floor. Neven mind that there is ZERO evidence that's true, never mind that sonar for that kind of mapping is very localized, never mind that the Navy, commercial ships, fishing vessels, pleasure boats have sonar and they are everywhere. No, it must be because of some mapping for the windmills. A bunch of dopey Democrat mayors actually signed on to this save the whales BS.

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trader_4

All they do is bitch, bitch, bitch. Too dry too wet. I say too bad.

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invalid unparseable

Where, exactly, do you propose that a new reservoir be built? All the good spots are already full of water.

Perhaps you propose damning Yosemite valley?

STFU.

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Scott Lurndal

And for your futher edification, 80% of the water in california is used for Agriculture - feeding YOU!

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Scott Lurndal

The Mercury News had a story about 5 years ago about a few possibilities.

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It sounds like one spot has a chance of being a huge, gigantic puddle.
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The feds are going to kick in part of the money. That picture makes the Sites area look like an ideal area to ride something with two or three wheels.

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Dean Hoffman

The first cite is raising the dam, not bulding a new one.

The second cite is the one I mentioned already, the Pacheco reservoir expansion, again, not a new dam. And note the Pecheco reservior is 100% groundwater recharge, not enough head for power generation.

Only the third, the Sites reservoir would be a new one, and at 1.8 million acre-feet would add 6% to the current total storage capacity statewide.

A large number of recharge basins have been developed in the central valley to recharge ground water recently - which ag use has drawn down by more than 300 feet in some areas of the san joaquin valley.

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Scott Lurndal

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