OK maybe a little off topic - dunno.
Last week I replaced my ~ 15 year old Frigidaire front load washer
with an LG 3170 front loader. Like all the new washers - things
are computerized ... the old one was not.
After about 3 or 4 loads, experimenting with the cycles & settings -
it seems like the new washer is programmed <?> to fill very slowly -
so slowly that it is almost 15 minutes into the wash cycle before the
load is completely wet ! The fill-periods only last about 4 seconds
- occurring every ~ 3 minutes .. geeeze !
Has anyone else experienced this ?
Repair-guy comes tomorrow - I'm expecting a bunch of excuses ..
... hope I'm wrong.
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 9:49:55 AM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
I've used a high-end LG that's about 6 years old. It fills over
several minutes, in incremental steps. Some water goes in, then
it starts it's agitation, after awhile some more water goes in,
etc. That goes on for maybe 5 mins.
So, what you are seeing is likely normal. It's probably to
minimize water usage, by sensing how much is actually needed,
instead of just putting in a given amount. The wash cycle
also takes a lot longer than an old top loader too. If it's
working, the clothes get cleaned, IDK why you'd be calling
service, it just drives up the cost of products. Did you
call their customer service and ask if it's normal?
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 06:55:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
This morning's load got me calling for service.
I chose quick-wash then selected heavy load and extra rinse -
this resulted in a 28 minute cycle according to the display.
After about 12 minutes of wash cycle the clothes were not wet -
I even paused & opened the door to check - mostly dry.
I closed the door & resumed the wash - it gave one more short
fill - washed for about 1 minute - still mostly dry clothes -
then started to drain .. Crikey ! - for all the fancy "smart"
features that these machines have - wouldn't you think that
water-level might play an important part in the process ?
Not to mention that all the extra unnecessary washing time
is actually wasting energy and contributing to the premature
demise of the machine.
If the service tech can get the "dry wash" fill-up time down to
5 minutes or so - fine - 15 minutes is absurd.
On 4/14/2016 10:11 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Wait until you get a new dishwasher. They can take 4 hours to save energy.
You really don't need much water to properly clean clothes. We have a
top loader and it rotates the tub and sprays water over the clothes.
Once wet, the solution is soaking the dirt and getting loose to move
off in the rinse cycle. Before you rant, find out if the clothes are
getting clean, that is what counts.
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 10:11:44 AM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
If by mostly dry, you mean that they aren't wet at all, then I'd
agree, it sure doesn't sound right. These washers do use very
little water, and the clothes aren't soaked, sloppy with water
like they would be in an old top loader. But if they are actually
dry then they aren't going to get cleaned either.
. Crikey ! - for all the fancy "smart"
It does, but with all the govt regulations for efficiency,
they are being pushed to use the absolute min water they can.
I hear you, I'd rather have clean clothes, instead of saving
a half gallon of water. But you know what happens when the
hippies run things.
I was at a new Whole Foods supermarket that just opened here.
They have a hot and cold bar with all kinds of tasty stuff.
To hold the food, they have either a paper box or a paper bowl.
Both are 100% recycled/recyclable, the box for some peculiar
reason is made with corners that are ready to pop apart and
turn it into a flat piece. That's annoying, because you keep
thinking the box is going to open up on you. First one I grabbed,
one corner opened just because of the way I picked it up.
But, the best part is that after going through all that, I
walk up to pay for it. All I have is the one food box, I even
left it open because I was going to eat it right there at one
of the provided tables. The checkout person closed the box,
then put it into a medium size paper shopping bag! So much
for conserving resources.
Another interesting feature of the high-end LG's is that without
it connected to power, if you spin the drum and press the display
buttons, it will power up the display. Salesman said that was
due to the energy recovery motor, which may be true. You
could recover the energy from the drum/load as it spins down.
How practical that is, IDK, but for sure if you spin the drum
without it connected, it will power up the display/controls.
On 4/14/2016 6:49 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Newer washers (esp front loaders) use very little water. Instead of
"filling" a tub and letting your clothes slosh around in it, they
wet the clothes in stages, tossing them around between.
They may also *drain* many times during a wash cycle -- get the dirt out of
the fabric and flush it away (instead of letting the clothes sit in "dirty
water"). I think our washer actually "looks" at the wash water to decide
if it's performed enough of these cycles whereas an older machine would go
through a fixed routine, regardless of how dirty the clothes may have
(or not!) been.
[One argument against BATHS is that the individual just sits in his
own dirty water whereas one taking a shower is constantly having that
dirty water flushed away!]
We've also noticed that wash cycles are notably LONGER than with
old top-loaders. And, the machine seems to be a bit gentler on
the clothes (than the old "central agitator").
[Your user manual will tell you how long a wash cycle should be.
Our machine displays time remaining on the front panel. If you
are observant, you notice that it lies (and is sometimes done
Also, if you have sensitive skin, some of the HE detergents
can cause problems -- even in their reduced quantities. You
may end up looking for alternatives (and/or, following each
wash cycle with a second "rinse only" cycle -- wonderfully
Lastly, most front loaders need a periodic "cleaning cycle".
Some require a special cleaner to be added to the cycle
(no clothes involved). Others just do this without a
special "cleaning product". I think all machines alert you
to this requirement when it becomes necessary: "check oil",
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 9:49:55 AM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
IIRC (not home now) my manual came with a "time-table" for the various
cycles, detailing what happens during certain time periods. Does your
manual have one of those tables? Maybe it's normal for your model.
While I agree that 15 minutes seems like a long time, my understanding
of front loaders tells me that the water level is determined by a "level
sensor", not a timer.
The time it takes to trigger the level sensor depends on the size of the
load and the absorption rate of the items. I believe that the machines
are looking for a set amount of "unabsorbed water" to trigger the sensor.
Water enters the machine, a few rotations are made to get the clothes
wet (absorption), more water is added, more rotations (more absorption)
until the clothes can't absorb any more water and the sensor triggers.
3-4 minutes minutes between fill sessions does seem longer than mine,
but the pattern is consistent.
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 10:40:41 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Agree, that's what goes on with the LG I had experience with. It
adds water a little at a time, sensing somehow how wet the clothes
are, then after a few mins, if it thinks it needs more, it adds
some more and repeats. But 15 mins in, if his clothes are really
still mostly dry, then it sounds like something is wrong. But he
also didn't answer as to what ultimately happens, ie after it's
all over, are the clothes clean or not?
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 12:04:30 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The hour and a half sounds about right. They do take a lot longer.
You can probably sell tickets for people that want to watch. It's
kind of interesting. The drum doesn't just go one way, it goes
one way for awhile, then reverses, slow up, speeds down, water
comes in/out, the spin cycle is at turbine like speeds....
Not like the old top loader.
I actually did a test between my 20 year old top loader and the LG,
using identical towels with mustard, ketchup, dirt, etc. Used Tide
for both, regular for the top loader, the high-eff toploader version
of Tide for the LG. The results were that they both did about the
same. One was better at some stains, worse at others and vice-versa,
so there were differences, but I couldn't say that one did a better
job overall than the other. The amount of time it takes can be a
factor if you're in a hurry to get something clean, which happens
once in awhile.
Like your mother told you: Put on clean underwear because you never know if
you are going to get in an accident.
I know when I was on the ambulance that was the first thing you did-undie
inspection. No need for signs, symptoms or observations; the undies told it
all. *NOT* ;~)
You know you are in trouble when they give you the alien anal probe in the
On 4/14/2016 9:04 AM, email@example.com wrote:
Average household does 7 loads of laundry each week.
*If* you do them all on one day AND want to shotgun
one right after another (i.e., nervously tapping
your foot waiting for the load to finish so you can start
the next), then you might have an issue.
We often forget laundry in the machine. I.e., my last
load is still in the dryer from a few days ago. When
SWMBO goes to do bedding this weekend, I will be
"reminded" of this. :>
Still, 1:28 seems long for a "normal" wash. I think our
"normal" cycle is 50 minutes and increases to 55 if you
indicate "heavy soil". You should also *time* (with
a clock) the actual cycle length as the machine is
only estimating how long it will take. Your old
machine had no choice: tell it X minutes and it WILL
take X minutes. New machines look at the water
to see how much soil is (still) present.
Also beware that there is usually no real "default"
as many machines remember how you ran a cycle and
offer those settings to you the next time you run it.
IME, it's been educational to poke at the various
buttons to see how each choice affects wash time
(ditto for the dryer). Our first load (on a hot wash)
always takes a bit longer as the machine "tests"
the water temperature before beginning: lets a little
water in, checks temperature, drains it if too cool
(i.e., water "standing" in the pipes -- even the amount
of water in the flexline to the washer is significant
when the washer doesn't USE much!) and tries again.
Most owner's guides will also give you a breakdown of
each cycle type so you can experiment "on paper"
without having to run actual loads.
I asked the repair guy about this - he said that he only knows
of dishwashers doing this ... dunno.
He checked the hoses for good flow ; then went straight for the
pressure switch - and magically had the replacement in his jacket
pocket ! :-) A test run with a few pairs of blue jeans seemed
better - not sure - next full load will tell ..
I'll be watching and timing things if it looks unresolved -
it was a good suggestion to not rely on the washer's countdown
timer indicator for any accurate measurement.
On 4/15/2016 12:33 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Again, unlike electromechanical controls that work "open loop"
(i.e., do not reflect conditions in the load being washed),
newer machines sense how well they are performing their jobs.
If things go "exceedingly well", the timer will appear to count
"fast" and the load done BEFORE expected. The opposite is
The dryers have similar smarts; silly to dry something for a fixed
amount of time *if* you know that it's already dry, halfway through
the allotted time!
[I have trouble trying to get the dryer to dry LESS thoroughly
as I often want to remove my clothes when they are ALMOST dry
and let them finish drying while hanging, etc. Usually cuts
down on ironing -- without having to resort to the steam cycle
in the dryer!]
Lastly, check to see if you have a "debris filter" in the washer.
This catches crud that might be mixed in with your clothing
(sort of like a lint filter would in a dryer). In ours, the
filter is located literally at the bottom of the appliance.
So close to the floor that you can't put a catch pan under it to
capture the excess water that WILL come out when you open the
[Anything that would fit under it would have to have an insignificant
"lip" -- to squeeze under the washer itself. But, having that shallow
of a lip means it's not a very effective *bowl* -- to capture liquids!
If this becomes clogged, you will see water/fill/drain related error
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 11:53:05 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
Could be a clogged inlet valve, although I think the unit would keep
adding water until the level sensor is triggered. However, this logic
might be in play:
1 - Add Wate
2 - Rotate drum
3 - If(AND(lev_sens <> 1, cyc_time <15:00) Then GoTo 1
4 - Enter Wash Cycle
In other words, if the level sensor hasn't trigger in 15 minutes, then
the heck with the level, let's start washing.
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