I would think that being allowed to paint the back of their shed would
also perserve it as it is in bad need of paint. I don't think it is
fair that I have to look at it, when they do not. My back yard is
beautifully maintained, and I take pride in it.
I don't see this as being pushy, but then again, I may be wrong.
It seems disrespectful to me, as I would never do this to a neighbor.
Thanks everyone for all the responses. Much appreciated.
You say that now, that you would never do this, but things happen.
For one thing, they may have totally forgotten this could happen. Or
they notice it and forget about it by the time they are back in the
house. How old are they? Wait till you hit 50, younger for some
If you think that your asking permission to paint the back wall
will be (correctly) interpreted as insinuating that they're not
doing proper maintenance, and you don't want them to think that,
then you could disguise your intent by asking permission to paint
a mural there.Failing either of those solutions, you could always
erect a free-standing trellis, a foot or two inside the line.
A good dense growth of pole beans, and it won't matter if
they paint the thing or not.
She didn't describe a shared fence, and she doesn't have the right to
She also hasn't said where the property line is. AFAWCT, the shed and
the fence are entirely the neighbors. But I agree with you that she
should have given all the details at the start instead of as you well
put it, letting us [potentially] spin our wheels.
Looks like a situation that could start WW3 :o) I would not paint it,
but the whole issue could be real complicated. Is it on your property?
If so, probably gives you more right to paint it, but then they might
someday own that little piece of land. If it is on the line, and a
permanent building, it might violate setback or easement requirements.
It may not be practical, but I think it would be better to plant a hedge
that hides it or add fencing to cross what is missing and paint to match
This is my second option. I do have a big tree in front of some of it.
It is right on the property line, but the overhang is on my property.
I don't mind that as I have a small Yorkie and we can both stand
underneath it in the rain, and she stays dry.
I am not a troublemaker, and never had a problem with a neighbor.
My yard is immaculate, and it would be oh so much nicer if the shed were
I won't be doing anything without asking, and will wait another year .
I cannot imagine them putting it off longer than this as the house is in
bad need of siding repair.
Why wait another year? Why not talk to them this weekend? You can
skip the pie.
I can. Maybe they're short of money. Maybe her mother needs surgery.
Maybe one lost his job. Maybe they're getting a divorce and don't
want to spend more money on the house. Maybe they can't decide
between vinyl, aluminum, and paint? Maybe that's why they're getting
I think you're assuming their life is like yours and their status and
plans are similar to yours.
My own ex-girlfriend, who I thought was the acme of reliability needed
a new roof last fall, and still hasn't gotten one now. I asked her
why not, and it seems she has some procrastination thing in this case,
a part of her I've never seen before in 10 years.
BTW, doesn't this mean that even if the shed is painted, their in need
of repair house will still be in your field of view? Even though
your yard is immaculate, you may not be able to make your view
immaculate, and that's part of life. But that doens't mean you can't
ask them if you can paint their shed. They may say, Oh, we'll paint
it, and then paint it, or not. Or they might tell you that you can,
expecially if you can point to work you've done on your own house that
Over 400 years ago, Nostradamus predicted that on Thu, 15 Jun 2006
mm would say:
I was going to suggest that OP refinish the rest of the fence, that way
she can say that she wants to paint the neighbor's shed so that it
"matches in with the rest of the fence" rather than is in dire need of
Except the fence does not belong to the OP either. I don't know why a
couple people suggested it did. I don't know what the law is if the
fence is exactly on the property line, but even if it is on the
property line and even if the law favored the OP, the neighbor will be
upset if the OP paints it.
In addition, it's almost impossible to paint one side of any fence,
except maybe a stockade fence where it is too high to see the top.
Either the original color will show through to the OP in places, or
the OP will have to paint part that shows to the neighbor. For one
thing, people on both sides of a fence see different parts of it
depending on whether they are standing or sitting, or loooking out the
window of the split level the neighbors live in. There is NO way to
paint one side of the fence.
Most fence builders put the fence an inch or two inside the property
line. In my case, my fence is probably a half inch inside. I'm going
by the notion that the property line is where the gutters of my
townhouse end and the gutter of my neighbor begins. But because my
downspout was in the way, the fence company put the first post between
his downspout and mine (there was just enough room) and the first
section of fence comes back to just inside my property line. AFAIK
the owner of my neighbor's house at the time didn't object and afaik
it's too late for them to assert dominion over the fence now. At any
rate, I'd be very angry if the current neighbor decided to paint even
his side of that section of my fence. Even if the law were on his
side, it's a declaration of war, when what he shoudl do is discuss it
with me. How much more so when the fence is probably within the
Over 400 years ago, Nostradamus predicted that on Thu, 15 Jun 2006
mm would say:
Where I've lived, structures and fences had different offsets. So, for a
structure to be part of the fence line it would have had to have been old
enough to have been grandfathered in, and that usually means that both are
right on the property line. When I lived in such a situation (one wall of
the detached garage on the property line making up part of the fence), the
neighbors involved had an understanding that each person took care of
their side of the fence. So, for example, when I painted my garage, I
only painted 3 sides of it, and when I painted my fence on the other side,
I painted one side of my neighbor's garage, and one side of his shed.
This is the only way I can see that OP has a right to complain. If the
their codes don't require different offsets and the shed is part of a
fence line that is totally on the neighbor's property, then I suggest that
she learn to live with other people who don't have the same priorities
that she does.
Anyroad, my original point still stands that if she asks the neighbors for
permission to paint the shed wall that she not do it in a manner that
highlights how bad she thinks it looks in comparison to her "immaculate"
backyard. And, if the shed is on the property line, they might already
consider it to be her responsibility -- I never really thought a whole lot
about what was going on with the fourth wall of my garage, as far as I was
concerned, its outside didn't exist to me.
I agree. The OP could check with the municipal zoning officer and find
out what the requirements are. In many places, you can't put a shed
right at the property line. IMO, the neighbors are pretty much idiots
who don't give a damn. Who else would skip making a property line
fence complete and instead use a shed to complete it?
Then, it's up to the OP which route to go to solve the eyesore.
Corrine should check zoning and city records, true. But, chances are pretty
high the neighbors aren't the ones who actually put it there, and the shed may
be grandfathered if it isn't even currently legal.
If all she wants is to be able to fix it up on her side, that's a perfectly
viable option to be considered. Although it's a good idea to check with the
town first to see what the zoning laws are (here, for example, fences in my town
can go right on the property line), where the shed is exactly (possibly, it *is*
a few inches on the neighbor's side of the line!), and what the legal status of
the shed is. She should also be aware of any adverse possession possibilities.
However, there are perfectly good reasons to just agree with the neighbor for a
fix-up whatever the case. Clearly, from her posts, the shed itself doesn't
bother her, it's its rundown appearance, and she's happy to just have it fixed
It's even possible the neighbor isn't aware of the appearance, and will jump to
offer to have it fixed on their dime. BTDT. But she won't know until she makes
a friendly approach to the neighbor about it.
They're neighbors. She should have baked them a cake and brought it
over when they first moved in, with no strings attached.
IF she can't bake, she can buy a pie.
A month or two from now she can bring up the shed.
Good points Banty.
The neighbors must know how tacky it looks as their entire outside of
the house needs to be redone. She said they were going to do it last
October, but it never happened.
They have made some nice home repairs lately, but the siding is yet to
be done. I will wait another year and then see what happens.
At any rate, I won't get into it with them and will put my own fence up
if need be.
I would not be tresspassing as the shed is right on the property line.
For them to paint it, they would have to be on my property which does
not bother me in the least. They would just have to come through my
front yard to get to the back of their shed, which is in my back yard.
At any rate, I will definitely ask first.
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