Lithium batteries, not worth it

Commander Kinsey · 2023-04-14T03:57:37+00:00

Are you greenies nuts? 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle lead acid batteries costing £150?

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Paul 3 years ago

There have been a number of alternative types proposed and tried in the lab, but they don't necessarily have the cycle count. Maybe a battery with a silver electrode, would give 1000 cycles. Whereas the Lithium ones are around 5000 cycles.

Each battery type has a spider diagram.

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The spider diagram notes the characteristics in graphical form. It's because of the spider diagram, and having to "optimize six parameters at the same time", that we're not buried in battery alternatives. Yes, there is battery hype, to encourage venture capital investment. But generally the things are announced, before their spider diagram is production ready.

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SteveW 3 years ago

Certainly a local shop was recently raided, as it was selling black market cigarettes from a hiding place behind a set of pull-out shelves.

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Scott Lurndal 3 years ago

Up to a very small point, consider:

1) There aren't enough plants to absorb excess CO2 at the rate required to match the current (or future) excess emissions. 2) As mentioned, plants need CO2 to live, but give them too much and the vital nutrients they produce, become depleted. These include iron, zinc, and vitamin C. 3) Overall, FACE experiments show decreases in whole plant water use of 5-20% under elevated CO2. This in turn can have consequences for the hydrological cycle of entire ecosystems, with soil moisture levels and runoff both increasing under elevated CO2 (Leakey et al. 2009). [ed. increasing the potential for flooding, landslides, et alia] 4) Crop concentrations of nutritionally important minerals including calcium, magnesium and phosphorus may also be decreased under elevated CO2 (Loladze 2002; Taub & Wang 2008) 5) With elevated CO2, protein concentrations in grains of wheat, rice and barley, and in potato tubers decreased by 10 to 15 percent in one study.

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alan_m 3 years ago

and we think a 200 mile range in an Electric car is good :) 24 miles at approx 60mph with a pilot and a "load" of 23kg.

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alan_m 3 years ago

The miles per gallon figures are shown on the screen. 44mpg and from

1980 when they removed all seats, except the drivers seat, removed the spare wheel, removed carpets, taped up any cracks in the bodywork etc. etc. to obtain the mileage figures.

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John Larkin 3 years ago

100% downside. Sounds improbable to me.

But more CO2 is going to happen. China and India and Africa will see to that. They aren't going to stay poor for our convenience.

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John Larkin 3 years ago

24 miles is now "epic" and "historic."

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rbowman 3 years ago

As a matter of fact... My brother said aeroplane but he was an aeronautical engineer Do you say Aerobus?

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Rod Speed 3 years ago

Where are you getting those numbers from and what fails ?

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Rod Speed 3 years ago

That's mad.

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Commander Kinsey 3 years ago

But it's still doable. And it shows it had a 77 litre tank. That's large. I've never had more than a 50 litre tank, except perhaps in a Range Rover. That only got 11mpg though.

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Commander Kinsey 3 years ago

Then he had more brains than you.

Surely an airnautical engineer? Mustn't confuse the poor little Americans.

That's a name of a manufacturer. They made a name they thought would sell. Probably thinking of the Merkin market.

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Commander Kinsey 3 years ago

Salt water batteries and Quantum batteries are far superior once they get into production. Lithium is nearing the end of it's life cycle.

For now I stick with lead acid for anything large. Lithium is for torches.

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Ed P 3 years ago

Depends on your needs. When we had two cars, if one had half that range it would be good. The other car could get by with it 11 months of the year.

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rbowman 3 years ago

Further, CO2 levels aren't well correlated with the projected mean global temperature when you're talking million year periods.

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Rod Speed 3 years ago

No its not. We do know that the world's climate was perfectly adequate for the animals and plants around at the time,

The most you can claim is that that scenario did support some much more massive animals than the current climate does.

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alan_m 3 years ago

In the Uk our Police helicopters carry high end Infra Red cameras on stabilised platforms.

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rbowman 3 years ago

You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only the prairie dogs would notice.

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rbowman 3 years ago

The past tense is correct.

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Thanks a lot for bringing Africans to North America.

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rbowman 3 years ago

To a point...

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