I know a couple who recently got a $1600 water bill for one of the
properties they own. Here in Milwaukee the water is cheap enough that
land lords often just include it in the rent.
Due to sewage and lead pipe replacement charges it's gone from maybe $25
a month (many years ago) to $60 and is billed quarterly. My last bill
When one of the owners investigated it seemed the tenant had a leaking
toilet and never bother to inform the land lord! Still the $1600 bill
seemed very high. I guess the toilet was running pretty fast but ...wow.
Hopefully they kicked the tenant out and and did not refund the security
deposit...but is there any recourse for them?
My guess is "no" but had the utility billed once a month like all
companies do...the problem would have been caught a lot sooner.
In California where the politicians refuse to spend any money on added
water capacity and the environuts seem to think we can save water by
decreasing our consumption to zero, water bills often have tiered rates.
If you use a thimble of water per day the rate is reasonable, if you
use a cup a day you get knocked to a higher rate. There are often
When this sort of thing has happened as a one time occurrence, the water
companies will review your request for a bill reduction and bill you for
all your water use in the lowest tier. You are still ;paying for all
your water, but not at the higher tier rates.
On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, philo wrote:
The water bill for this "toilet leak" incident was probably insignificant compared to rest of the cost:
A young couple bought the house across the street from mine. They stayed in their apartment
while they did some renovations. On the Thursday before Labor Day the bathroom contractor
installed a new toilet in the upstairs bathroom. They locked up the house and left town for the
Nobody knows exactly when the fill hose popped off the bottom of the toilet, but when they
stopped by the house on Monday afternoon, the water was running out the back door. Parts
of the hardwood floors on the first and second floors had to be replaced, all the kitchen
cabinets (less than 4 years old) had to be replaced, drywall and insulation R&R, the list
goes on and on. Pumps for the water in the basement, dehumidifier rentals, etc.
To add insult to injury, the lease was up on their apartment so they had to move. They ended
up in Mom's basement...not the ideal situation for a young couple but much cheaper than a
Had a similar situation at work. Twice. We have about 22 toilets around
the plant and one was running. I found it out by monthly meter
readings. It was in a little used bathroom and not making any noise.
My guess is the landlord is SOL.
That toilet must have been running full force around the clock. Even
then that seems like an excessive bill. That meter should be checked for
That tenant must be a total idiot to leave a toilet running that much.
Almost a total moron should be able to replace a $2 toilet flapper.
Do they still have lead pipes around there? I thought those were all
gone by the end of the 20th century, if not a lot sooner.....
On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 4:17:57 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Renter's don't typically repair the landlord's plumbing. I've seen leases where it was
stated that the tenants were not allowed to "make any changes, including repairs".
Should they have told the landlord? Sure...but if they aren't paying for water, maybe they
just didn't care or even realize the cost. If they've always been renters, and water has always
been included, they could be ignorant of the cost. That doesn't make them ignorant.
Back in my day when My friends and I rented it never occurred to us to
ask the land lord as we knew it would probably never get done...or if so
it would probably raise the rent...so we did our own repairs.
Though we were a bunch of drunken low-lifes we would have fixed a
In those days we were pretty wild and left the apartments in bad shape
...so we never bothered to ask for our security deposit either.
On 10/09/2016 02:14 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Hopefully the owner will kick the tenant out, not refund the security
deposit and make the tenant is responsible for all utilities.
Yes. Milwaukee still has lead pipes.
After the situation in Flint...the city rapidly started replacing lead
"mains" but still there are thousands of "main to house" lead pipes.
Since I have lead pipes here I had the water tested 35 years ago when I
moved in. First they had me use no water at all for 12 hours. Once they
had a sample they had me "run 'til cold" and test again.
They found a small trace of lead in the standing water but none in the
"run to cold" test.
Since for my job I worked with lead-acid batteries the company had my
blood tested twice a year. The lead content was essentially zero.
As a precaution though I have a filter on the kitchen sink.
I am no fanatic when it comes to a lot of these things that are said to
be dangerous, but I think I'd get those lead pipes replaced. At the same
time, I know it can be costly if they have to dig up from the house to
the water main, and replace the pipes.
By the way, does anyone know what kind of pipe they use these days to go
from the water main to a house? Back in the 60's I know they were using
copper, but that could be real costly these days. I assume they are
using some sort of poly (plastic) these days.
I'm curious, what year was your house built to have lead pipes? I know
they have not used lead pipes for a real long time.
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