Once, I heard a story about what it would be like to use metric for
everything. Something like drinking 5961 milliliters of milk and
eating 2492 milligrams of egg. Then watching a football game where a
player is on the 93.674 meter line.
BTW, the "calories" in food are actually Calories (kilocalories, also
called large calories).
Well, in cooking, most measurments and portions would be adjusted
slightly to the nearest round metric number. Thus, the 'standard'
drinking glass would probably grow slightly to become the 'standard 25
The unit of measure for eggs would probably remain what it is under
the current system: the egg, 1 each.
Sports fields could be adjusted (making a football field 100 meters)
but would require two sets of record books. I believe track and field
has pretty much already made this adjustment, with most tracks being
built to 400 meteres instead of 400 yards, but it is much more an
international sport than American football. Probably better to leave
football and baseballs fields alone, with the use of yards, feet, and
inches being considered a 'quaint' historic relic. How far is it
from pitchers mound to home plate in thoroughly metric Japan?
I agree. I spent many tours overseas and had a complete set of metric
measureing tools plust the usual household maintainance items. Hated
it when I retired and had to go back to this abortion we call a system.
One of the dumbest arguements against the metric tool system was from a
"I wouldn't be able to tell what wrench to grab". I pointed out that
he doesn't know now in that when he needs a 9/16 he doesn't grab a
"9/16" he grabs one "that size" and it would be the same in metric
except simpler as there are fewer choices.
Sorta OT. When did Great Britain do away with the Whitworth bolt/nut
sizes? Back in the 60s IIRC a mechanic had to have all 3 sizes of
Exactly. I've never understood the fuss. After all, just how long
*is* a meter? Answer: It's the distance between two marks on a stick
calibrated for such. Same answer as "How long is a foot?"
How much is a liter? How much is a quart? Same answer for both: The
amount of liquid to fill up a properly calibrated measuring container
to a specific mark.
Who gives a fig about conversion? When working in metric, you use
measuring devices calibrated in metric. You measure to the marks
indicated. Just like when working with "British" ("American").
BS. That is a strawman argument trying to justify being bull headed
about changing. If they were going to rip you off during the
conversion, they would do it. Nothing you would be able to do about it
even if you -did- know they were doing it other than shop down the
street where they also would be doing it.
I gaurantee that withing a week of conversion you wouldn't even notice
and would soon recognize the idiocy trying to compare sizes of the new
to the old.
Right. It makes equal spacing of marks, conversions, all sorts of
things, trivial. You could have fourth graders doing layout with the
It's like language. English, being a hodgepodge (is that one word?),
is ridiculously complex. It's like they purposefully took the worst
aspects of several languages. Compare that with Italian. After about
the age of seven, there's no Italian word that an Italian kid can't
spell - it's essentially a phonetic language. How many people on this
newsgroup are asked, "How do you spell that?", about their own _name_?
It's inefficient and stupid to make things needlessly complex.
Look at the metric thing this way. Being one of the three third world
countries that is hung up on the _Imperial_ system, how do you think
that affects our exports to other countries? We're cutting our own
throats so we can keep on using an arcane system that is apparently
designed to create confusion and mistakes.
A study done years ago found that rates of reading dyslexia were higher
in countries with languages like English and French, where spelling and
pronounciation were not necessarily consistent, and lower in countries
like Russia, Italy, Spain etc where the spelling is essentially phonetic.
The difference was pretty significant.
Yeah, I just love it when I have to keep two sets of wrenches and my
car has both types of bolts so all I do is fight to figure out which
wrench fits properly and which one is a sloppy fit. And even if I hse
a 17MM socket, my ratchet is still a 1/2 inch or 3/8 inch drive, which
means I have to constantly use two different standards of
measurements. Now, they still sell gasoline in gallons, but sell soda
in liters. America did just fine for centuries using the SAE
standards. It's obvious that foreign cars will come with metric
bolts, and in that case, the owner buys metric tools. But American
cars should have SAE bolts, because they were made in America. There
is no reason we need to kiss butt to other countries, and all we have
done trying to convert is confuse people, such as my car having both
type of bolts. Just to adjust the alternator belt I have to use both
SAE and Metric wrenches. That is just assenine.
The REAL reason they wanted to change was just to sell more tools,
sell more of everything else that is not metric, and make life
I cant wait till they convert gasoline to sell in some metric amount,
and stop using the dollar and convert to the pound. That way when I
take a 7 pound bag of dog food to the counter, and the store also
sells a 10 pound bag, the clerk can ask me if I have a 7 pound or a 10
pound bag, and I will think that is the price they are charging me
because the pound is also a term for an amount of money.
All this amounts to is the government making things as complicated as
possible, the same way they do it with income tax forms and pretty
much anything else they touch.
I am having a very tough time believing you are not a troll. The
myopia that passes for your logic is staggering.
- Cars that are "Made in America" are assembled here but have parts
from all over the world. The only reason your car has two types of
bolts, is because of people like you who resist change, even if the new
way is far superior. It's like that idiot that everyone knows who is
married to the dragon lady but won't divorce her, saying things like,
"The devil you know is better than the one you don't." You know,
- Because of people like you, this is one of the only three third world
countries still stuck in the 1800's with the Imperial system of
measurement. We're not a colony anymore, get it? There is no more
king, we're a country. We no longer have to stick to an archaic
measuring system that the country that invented it no longer uses!
-You're right that they want to sell more tools, parts and everything
else. We also want to _buy_ more tools, parts and everything else.
The problem comes in when a metric country/company has to make a choice
between setting up two manufacturing lines. One, their standard
metric, is already in place, the other, Imperial, has a limited market
- the US (Libya and Myanmar). You're argument will undoubtably be,
well, we'll make what we need right here, in the good ol' USA. Guess
again. If you're willing to fork over $100K for your Chevy, that might
work, but where are you getting the $100K from?
A liter is close to a quart. Four liters is close to a gallon. That's
all you need to know, and you don't even need to know that.
You'll do what you do right now. You'll keep your eyes open, see a gas
station which has lower prices than the rest, pull over and buy some.
You'll say, give me $20 bucks or fill 'er up. You won't take out a
measuring cup and calculate the conversion. Hell, right now you don't
know if you're getting a gallon or not. You just trust that you are.
They'll scan the item, you'll pay for it. What do you care what units
are used as long as the net cost to you is reasonable?
You have to admit it's ridiculous that designers don't put ALL metric
bolts on a car. Seems like there would be tons of cost savings for
them in doing that anyway. My '86 vette has probably 90% metric, 10mm,
13mm, and 15mm being almost all of them.
Leaving the unit of money alone for a minute, because that's never
going to happen:
This is where you're missing the point. Many people figure out
qty/price when buying products. During the intial conversion, most
would be left scratching their heads "is $10 for 2.5Kg better or worse
than $12 for 5.5 lbs?"
And what difference would it make? You wouldn't have the choice to buy
kthe 5.5 lbs one anyhow. Yeah for your sense of outrage you might find
that you are now paying a schosh bit more per unit weight but just what
would you do about it?
Yep. We got an old Dodge Mirada from my father-in-law, who insisted that
he would never buy a foreign car. When I looked at the plate on the door
frame, I discovered that it was made in Canada. Our '02 Chrysler 300M is
the same -- although we knew this ahead of time.
And most of the "Japanese" cars sold in the U.S. are built in the U.S.
I work at one of those Japanese auto plants. Several years ago I
hired a guy to fix my roof. When he was finished we were sitting on
my front porch drinking some iced tea and visiting while I made out
the check for his services. He knew where I worked and was
complaining to the effect of 'yes, they build the cars here, but all
the money goes back to Japan.' I handed him his check and said
"here's a couple of hundred of their dollars that didn't go to Japan."
Another example: The U.S. Big-3 lobbied congress for a 'domestic
content' lable law, requiring auto manufacturers to place a lable on
the vehicle stating what percentage of the vehicle was 'domestic
content.' Of course the lobbyists helped write the rules of what
constituted 'domestic content.' A year after it went into effect,
they were lobbying to revoke the law because, even under their own
rules, Fords, Chevies, and Chryslers were showing LESS domestic
content than U.S. built Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissans.
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