Infrastructure Bill Includes Pilot Program to Track Your Vehicle

And it only tracks DISTANCE - not LOCATION so Buck doesn't need to worry about the government knowing what crack houses and whorehouses he goes toand how often - and his wife won't be able to get proof of his numerous girlfriends (or boyfriends) either. Soinds like a republican who's paranoid the government will find out he doesn't "practice what he preaches)

The only FAIR road tax is a ton/mile tax.

Off road diesel is dyed red and isn't taxed. On road diesel is taxed. I'm not familiar with rules for over the road drivers. They did have to fill out log books to track what they'd been up to. They're probably using some sort of tracking devices in their trucks nowadays.

Many years ago on tour in Europe we were told that trucks carried recorders of trips with even speed recorded and a cop could stop a trucker and look at the recorder and give him a ticket for speeding that might have happened hours ago.

Just googled this up:

I am not familiar with the big trucks laws either. A friend has a small trucking business of about 10 trucks. He has to keep up with where he buys the fuel and then what state his trucks burn the fuel in for some kind of tax purpose.

Over 50 years ago a friend of a friend showed me a chart of the time and speed of either a big rig or bus ( I don't recall which) he had driven. It was a piece of paper about 4 inches in diameter if I recall correctly. What made me recall that was the chart reached a certain speed and stayed that way for many hours. Only diped to 0 mph one time when he stopped to eat.

I suppose that would depend on whether they are willing to physically check odometers or if they would rather sniff GPS data. The latter would work on most new cars with NAV and an online link built in. That involves a lot of computer power but we have lots of computer power these days. Taxing the chargers would be easier tho.

That is about what I heard. Of course today with our advanced electronics it would be recorded otherwise. I mentioned in thread about insurance company sending a letter that if I would accept an electronic device in my car from them that insurance would be much cheaper and I said, screw that.

That assumes you have a smart phone and you carry it everywhere. I have a flip phone that seldom leaves the house and it is off most of the time, sometimes even if I do have it with me.

Charging at home would not allow taxing. Charging the chargers would kill the electric car business as chargers charge two to three time what you pay at home and taxing at that point would drive people nuts.

Home chargers could be taxed but it is too late to get people to add them on. They would have had to be made that way and not easily circumvented. Give me three feet of wire and a half hour and I'll get around it.

Even with existing commercial chargers it would not be easy but I'm sure they have some metering built into them so they can charge the customers.

Both Federal and state taxes would have to be added and that does lessen one of the advantages of electric. Fed is 18.3 and states mostly are 30+. Let's use 50 cents total on average. If your car gets 25 mpg that is 2 cents per mile. So $20 per thousand or $200 to $250 per year. Whatever the final solution, checking, billing, collecting it the government will probably come up with a system costing more than that per car to collect it.

You may have hit on a tax idea. Just bill the electric cars for around $ 200 a year. Maybe $ 150 to the state and $ 50 to the feds to be added to the income tax.

In NC where I live I have to have an inspection for the car that is almost $ 40 and pay a county tax depending on what they say the car is worth. So no problem adding the tax to that or the fed and state income tax.

The wife bought a new car 10 months ago. Shortly after she had some medical problems so she can not drive for a few more months. I have been driving it some just to keep the battery charged. Just today I filled the tank for the first time after the dealer filled it. Got the inspection and tax bill for it today for about $ 140. That is almost 50 cents per mile.

Speaking of costing more to bill than collect,my son bought a used car about 40 years ago. He got a tax bill for it for 17 cents. The letter the bill came in had a 24 cent stamp on it. So the county lost 7 cents for the stamp and however much for the paper work.

I don't think it would be that difficult to have the EV refuse the charge if it doesn't see the charger metering device it's connected to is activated. Center pivots use GPS to control some functions. The control panel shuts the system down if it loses the signal from the receiver. Maybe it would be necessary to make some sort of retrofit indirect meter for the ones in existence. It sure would be nice to have a system that roughly tracks the actual road wear a vehicle causes. We have that now by collecting taxes at the fuel pump. I haven't seen the post announcement news reports yet. Supposedly, Biden was going to announce a goal of having something like half of the vehicles sold in the U.S be EVs by 2030. Some of the prior news reports were calling them zero emission.

Half by 2030 is rather ambitious. There is a dozen coal powered plants coming off line in a few years and the materials for batteries is at peak capacity. Get those windmill turning.

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It's called a tachograph. Used to be very common on long-haul vehicles before deregulation.

I suspect you paid more than 50 cents a mile if you were to include insurance cost. Many years ago with teenage drivers we had four cars and I clocked the one least used at 50 cents a mile in insurance only.

Fortunately here in DE we have no annual possessions tax and car registration is $40/year. There is a document percentage tax when you buy a car.

My wife and I are in similar situations as you and we could get by on one car but like the freedom of two.

That 50 cents per mile is just for money to send to the state and feds for road tax to make up for the tax that is added into the price of a gallon of gas that the electric cars do not use.

Being retired we could get buy with one car also. The wife just wanted one of the small Toyota Yarus because it was small and she thinks it is easier to drive in tight parking spaces. No more than she drives it would be much cheaper to call a Uber or taxi. We have a Camary and I also have a Toyota truck. The truck is a 2007 that only has about

On Wed, 4 Aug 2021 18:01:27 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...

Yup, it is like crack, never enough...

"California pumps out the highest tax rate of 62.47 cents per gallon, followed by Pennsylvania (58.7 cpg), Illinois (52.01 cpg), and Washington (49.4 cpg). You?ll find the lowest gas tax in Alaska at 13.77 cents per gallon, followed by Missouri (17.42 cpg) and Mississippi (18.79 cpg)."