I know where to go!

"When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"

You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint- ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is: what was your response?

The US public carries a mentality of entitlement that concerns and worries preppers. This attitude of being owed a living has mainly been instilled by the politicians. In just the last two generations, the safety net is being used by many as a sleepy hammock.

But in the words of Alexis De Tocquiville "It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights -- the "right" to education, the "right" to health care, the "right" to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle."

With the advent of the "just in time" delivery, the societal helplessness got much worse. Easy Credit and the Instant Gratification mantras have bred a generation of bawling, self-indulgent brats. The whims and desires of the masses are catered to by a very intricate structure that is very fragile at best.

People have pointed out this Achilles Heel many, many, times. The few who heed the warnings are ridiculed, marginalized or demonized. Our overextended and under maintained national infrastructure ages and deteriorates. Failures occur. Locallly, then regional, and some day national. The more intricate, complex and interconnected the system becomes, the more prone it is to failure or sabotage. A storm can wipe out power, food, and fuel for weeks at a time.

The US public has the idea that the government will take care of them. It is a seductive lie and it is a mortal trap. Our government is more concerned with its own survival, not mine. I do not trust that it will come to my rescue during a major disaster or act of war. If they do come, they will be heavy handed, and will force me to do what I do not want to do. Like leave my refuge, get on the truck, and go to a concentration camp.

Hurricane Katrina was an example of the total breakdown of that support system. More than a year since the storm, many parts areas are still a disaster, still without drinkable water, without functioning waste treatment and without electricity. The people have placed their total faith in a belief that the local and Federal governments would step in and save them, in many cases this was a fatal mistake.

With a disaster of that magnitude there was no way the governments would have the power to fix every thing, even though they wanted to. Besides, the State has no obligation to protect people in the first place.

So where does this leave those that have wisely chosen to prepare for themselves? The answer is in a very tight spot. The mentality of entitlement says that they are entitled to any thing that you have simply because they are needy, and you "unfairly" have stuff. The question is what do you do?

The answers are just as difficult as the question. Turning away people in need is offensive to our cultural traditions, but in time of crisis it can become a necessary evil.

One friend remembers having neighbors coming to their door during a particularly bad snow storm demanding food because they, the neighbors knew that the family was Mormon and abided by the one year of food storage edict.

Timothy 5:8 of the Christian New Testament states "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." However, far too many "Sunday Christians" ignore this passage and glom onto the parts about "feeding the sheep". They profess to be "helpless" and "needy" when in truth they are lazy and irresponsible, preferring to let others take responsibility.

So how do you respond when you hear the phrase "I know where I'll be coming..."?

I can say that my standard response to that statement is pretty much to the effect of "Not if you have nothing to contribute, and family comes first.". By "contribute" I really mean "bring your own food and other goods".

Full Stop.

We are not in a position to feed, clothe and otherwise tend to their needs. Sound harsh? It may, but so does dying due to their unwillingness to prepare.

Notice I did not say their inability to prepare. Those same people who choose not to be prepared all have a bewildering array of insurance plans. The all have spare tires in their cars. Most of them have IRA's or Roth plans, or 401-K's. They will prepare for the future in those ways; paying others to take ultimate responsibility for them. What they refuse to do is take direct personal responsibility.

The unspoken motto of the U.S. Marine Corps is: God, Corps, Country. That's what the Fidelis in "Semper Fidelis" refers to. Ever notice how Corps comes before country? Ever give it any thought? My personal motto is : God, Family, Community. Notice the resemblance?

Naturally most people when they consider such a chain of loyalty think of it from the self centered point of view; first I'll take care of my own. There is another equally important side to the coin.

Consider triage. In a life and death crisis who do the doctors and nurses try to save first? Other doctors and nurses, firemen, policemen, soldiers. Why? Because those people posses the skills and training and proven commitment to saving others. Saving them means that many more can be saved. The country is more likely to be saved if the Corps is first saved so that it can render service. The community is best saved if the family is intact and strong and able to be a resource to others.

There are always those who simply are not able to organize their lives in such a way as to be able to help themselves. Some of us feel we have a duty to help the helpless in a time of need. The majority could help themselves, but won't. The excuses are endless. There will never be enough resources tosave those who refuse to help them- selves.

And so I keep the preps on the quiet side. The less that those around us know the better. This is an unfortunate but necessary result of the entitlement mentality that the general public carries, because the scary part is that if the unprepared don't feel cared for (by some standard that escapes my understanding) they will try to take it by any means necessary.

A 72hr kit can be made from household items, or can be purchased, premade. Even people earning minimum wages can afford one, and have no excuse for not having one.

But, a 72 hr kit, it is only a stopgap. And yet how many people have one? The Mormon Church estimates that fewer than 10% of their members practice the food storage program that their church preaches as a religious duty. The simple fact is that most people have voted with their dollars and their actions to be cattle; to let others carry the responsibility for them.

Others have a 72hr kit as their complete preps. These are told that they are not welcome. What they are telling me, is that although they recognize and admit that they have a responsibility and a duty, they are not willing to make more than the most minimal effort on their own behalf. They are saying that they are not willing to be part of the solution, they are not willing to roll up their sleeves and help others, much less themselves.

Some people have dismissed the whole idea of personal preparedness with comments like "I pay my taxes!" As if having paid taxes purchased an insurance plan that owed them - a provider that was then obligated to come to their rescue. And that is their attitude when a crisis happens, they become angry, resentful and demanding of the resources that they "paid for".

In the end it is a question of triage. If my family or I are helpless and needy, how will I be able to help others? My first moral duty is to not be a burden on others. My first loyalty is to my family. Then, assist those others who prepared. I will make great efforts to help those who were prepared, but lost their equipment due to storm, fire, etc. Once I have accomplished that I can then begin to consider helping the genuinely helpless.

Those who could have helped themselves and chose not to do so will have take what's left. If there is any.

And those who say "If Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where to Go..." can jolly well go to . . . well, some warm place where others like them congregate.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon
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I'm already there.

The place is Canada.

And sorry - you can't come in.

(rest of this pointless tomb not quoted because I'm not a full-quoter)

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Home Guy

"Stormin Mormon" wrote

Right where I am in Northern California. The topography is so varied and the crops so plentiful that we needn't worry about anything. And this area gets floods, wildfires, and the occasional quake. My home is less than 30 miles from abundant farmland, and within 80 miles are every crop imaginable. California has so much food we export most of it.

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David Kaye

Indeed. Northern California is a good place. Southern California has no water to speak of and our millions of acres of farm lands are fed by the California Aquaduct. There are wells..but the Aquaduct brings in most of the water.

Gunner

-- "President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the world where you can reside and establish new citizenship. Kirby Grant,

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Gunner

All well and fine as long as there is infrastructure to keep the farms productive. That means fuel and parts for the equipment. It means electricity to run the equipment like dryers, augers or whatever. It means modern seed and fertilizer. One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26 back in 1960.

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Dean Hoffman

Yes, he can generate six times the volume/calories.

Unfortunately, only two times the nutrition, If that.

Reply to
Wes Groleau

Really? How does that work?

Or is it simply the choice of crop?

Hummm?

Gunner

-- "President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the world where you can reside and establish new citizenship. Kirby Grant,

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Gunner

Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.

But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.

Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.

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Wes Groleau

"Gunner" wrote

On the other hand, SoCal has the weather. I know three people living in LA. None of them use a heater in the winter. One did manage to go out and buy a $20 electric heater at Walgreen when there was a cold snap a few years ago. I don't think he's used it since.

Reply to
David Kaye

So Crop rotation is simply an empty dream?

Gunner

-- "President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the world where you can reside and establish new citizenship. Kirby Grant,

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Gunner

"Dean Hoffman" wrote

This assumes an infrastructure lasting months to years. For one, while most of our electricity comes from Pacific Gas & Electric, there are small co-operative utilities and government owned utilities. We also get our electricity from a wide variety of sources, including natural gas, wind turbines, solar, and water. In fact, SF owns its own water and power system (as does LA), and they have excellent records of service to their customers.

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David Kaye

Sure there will always be those people with the =93mentality of entitlement= =94 but that=92s not the issue here. The issue is fairness. The right to fa= irness when seeking an education, the "right" to fairness when seeking heal= th care, the "right" fairness when seeking food and housing. To explain wha= t I mean by fairness let me give you an example:

Let=92s say for example that there is a big hurricane coming and you=92re t= old to leave the city. So you quickly pack your family in your vehicle and = set out on the road when you realize that you need gas. So you stop at a ga= s station where the owner tells you that he=92s selling a gallon of gasolin= e for $300 a gallon. In fact the other gas stations have also raised their = prices to $300 dollars a gallon. You only have about nine hundred dollars a= nd three gallons isn=92t going to get you far. You argue with the gas stati= on owner but he simply says that it=92s his gas station and he can damn wel= l sell his gas for any price he likes and that he=92s just taking advantage= of a very profitable situation. =20 Do you think that is fair? If you think that it is fair then I have nothing more to say to you other t= han you better hope you don=92t meet other people that think like you do. B= ut if you think that it isn=92t fair then I would like to point out to you = that this is exactly what is happening with the health care in this country= . Only the big hurricane is in your body and the health insurance companies= are the gas station owners.=20

Reply to
recyclebinned

In a free market, items sell for what they are worth. If they are over priced, they don't sell. It's that simple. So, you'd better not have any more to do with me.

Do you think the government take over of health care is "fair"? if so, I'm the one who won't have anything to do with YOU.

Do you think the government setting prices that store owners can charge is "fair"? if so, I'm the one who won't have anything to do with YOU.

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Let?s say for example that there is a big hurricane coming and you?re told to leave the city. So you quickly pack your family in your vehicle and set out on the road when you realize that you need gas. So you stop at a gas station where the owner tells you that he?s selling a gallon of gasoline for $300 a gallon. In fact the other gas stations have also raised their prices to $300 dollars a gallon. You only have about nine hundred dollars and three gallons isn?t going to get you far. You argue with the gas station owner but he simply says that it?s his gas station and he can damn well sell his gas for any price he likes and that he?s just taking advantage of a very profitable situation. Do you think that is fair? If you think that it is fair then I have nothing more to say to you other than you better hope you don?t meet other people that think like you do. But if you think that it isn?t fair then I would like to point out to you that this is exactly what is happening with the health care in this country. Only the big hurricane is in your body and the health insurance companies are the gas station owners.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

station and he can damn well sell his gas for any price he likes and that he?s just taking advantage of a very profitable situation.

It's capitalism at it's finest. God bless the Republican capitalists.

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Capitalist Oinker

Well..it depends on where in So Cal one lives. Its a rather big area and some places are COLD, others..no heater needed.

Gunner, in Central California, who hasnt turned on the furnace yet and has been working out in the shop in a flannel shirt.

-- "President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the world where you can reside and establish new citizenship. Kirby Grant,

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Gunner

Absolutely.

It's his gas and he can sell it for whatever he can get.

And before you start ranting about "fairness," remember you have no knowledge of what he PAID for his gas. For all you know, he could have paid $299.85 per gallon. Would you insist he lose money because of your indolence and sloth?

Secondly, the gas station you use as an example, probably lies in the projected disaster area. The owner may simply be trying to enhance his ability to rebuild.

Third, the gas station owner could have left at the same time as you, albeit with a full tank, and because his station is now closed, you can't get gas at ANY price. Shouldn't his risk be rewarded?

Reply to
HeyBub

You Republican hypocrites know how to talk the talk but when in a disaster = you=92re the first ones to sit, cry and scream for your rights under the pr= ice gouging laws.

Reply to
recyclebinned

I've thought for a while now that the best way to beat the price gouging complainers and the lawmakers who listen to them is to setup a business that has outrageous prices on things all the time. No one will come in and purchase anything during normal times but when a disaster hits the outrageous price store will have things in stock. Of course anything that may have an expiration date will have to be rotated in inventory by some means like having another normal price store but the outrageous price store could be used as a distributor until disaster hits then it's ready for walk in business. ^_^

TDD

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The Daring Dufas

"Capitalist Oinker" wrote

What people are failing to see is that the gasoline price run-up here in California and in states such as Ohio and Florida are the result of our economies in those states getting BETTER under Obama. We can AFFORD $4 gasoline because we have lots of jobs and lots of income.

Reply to
David Kaye

Any proof of this, or is it just a free floating flame?

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Stormin Mormon

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