I suspect not so much. If he was that abusive/controlling, he'd
turn off the water to the shower WHILE they were in it ("Showers
will be limited to 5.0379 minutes")
Rather, the "offenders" have found a spot of relative bliss amidst
an environment that they have acknowledged as "too cold". Make
the showers less comfortable and maybe they start showering *less*
(i.e., SMELLING more!)
I think the real solution is getting everyone on the same page and
sorting out how to come to a solution that fits ALL needs AND
other constraints (budget, etc.). There may be other solutions
that are amenable to all parties?
Perhaps they aren't anxious to step OUT of the warm shower into a
FREEZING bathroom? So, an overhead heat lamp could make the transition
Or, raising the temperature in the house at certain "living"
times during the day in exchange for lowering it at others.
Or, adding more layers of clothing; exploiting southern exposure
when choosing where to sit/work/play during the daylight hours; etc.
First step is understanding the problem(s) -- on both sides!
What if the only other option is sleeping under a bridge?? Would
that be a better option for all involved?
I had a neighbor who was always burning her fireplace. The smoke
was really irritating to me (allergies, etc.). I commented to
another neighbor, one day, his reply: she has no *heat* in the
house; wood is relatively easy to come by but the gas company wants
I'm just a little less willing to jump to conclusions without
knowing the entire story. E.g., if he wanted to be truly abusive,
he could limit their showers, turn off the hot water (except when
HE wanted it), etc.
The fact that he's looking at increasing the house temperature +5F
as a means of mitigating the (apparent) "need" for those long showers
suggests he's trying to be reasonable (at least, in HIS mind).
Way to start the new year! Big load of common sense.
All usenet posters should be this observant. Good job!
(But, on the flip side, 55F cuts down on spoiled chicken
the next day. And, 55, it's not just a good idea, it's
the law. Thermostat cops will see you before you see them.)
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 00:06:21 -0000 (UTC), Vlad Lescovitz
55 feels nice when you're outside, even without much sunlight, but
somehow anything short of 66 or 68 feels cold inside.
It might be. Or she could take a shower in a bathtub with a closed
drain. For one thing you could see how many gallons it really is
(because it might be less than 50, since cold water mixes with the hot
water in the WH and the mixture is probably too cold to shower with
before the entire 50 gallons are used.)
Then when she got out, all the heat in the water in the tub woudl
eventually be released into the house. When the water was cold, you
could drain it out. (This allows more dirt to settle out of the
water onto the tub, but if your wife is pretty clean, that might not
be much. )
More importantly, it puts more humidity into the house that will make
it feel 4, 6, maybe 8 degrees warmer (let me know). When my furnace
has been broken, or when the LL gave no heat, I boil water on the
stove. A big pot that will hold a basketball takes 3 or 4 hours to
evaporate, and has a greater warming effect, and one that fills the
whole house, than just running the stove burner without the pot of
water does, and more than a room heater does, certainly in the same
length of time but in more time too.
Everytime I say this, people here talk about damage from water running
down the inside of the windows, but water like that almost never
happens and no damage has happened, and in my case it woudl be easy to
paint the window sills. But mostly insulated windows are not that
I usually take a bath every day, and when I'm thinking about it, the
amount of now-warm water going down the drain bothers me.
I've always preferred baths over showers. I always let the bath water in
the tub (during the heating season), until it's cold. Then I drain it.
If I leave the bathroom door shut with a tub full of hot water, the
bathroom is 10 to 20 deg warmer than the rest of the house.
I notice my furnace running less often too when there is hot water in
the tub. That hot water acts like a radiator. Why let it go down the
It might take a few seconds more, and an extra squirt of tub cleaner, to
clean the tub. No biggie!!! That saved heat is more valuable!
By the way, if you have some wet and slightly dirty gloves or socks from
shoveling snow, I toss them in the tub after I finish bathing, swish
them around, wring them with my hands and place them above a heat
register to dry.
You dont need to waste energy to run a washing machine and dryer just
for some gloves/socks, and the gloves/socks by the register or radiator
add some humidity to the house too.
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 01:13:40 -0600, email@example.com wrote:
The only reason is the dirt that settles out. Oh, and once I left
the tub water dripping and it almost overflowed the tub!
I'm still using the bathtub brush my mother bought from me when I was
a Fuller Brush Man, in 1964. It's like a toilet bowl brush, with
twisted wire holding the bristles, just in a different shape.
Triangular, instead of round. Most of the bristles that face out
have been smashed down and run sideways now, but I tried to twist the
hole wire so the interior bristles would face out again, the wire was
too tough to do it the way I tried. Maybe I'll use a vice.
But tonilght because of this thread, I thought I'd look for a
replacement brush. If the first one lasted 51 years, I'll have to
live to 120 to get 51 years out of the second one. But they don't
seem to sell one like the one I have, anymore. Darn. They have long
handles, like mops, or other differences.
I put a diverter in my dryer output, so that I send the hot air
outside during the summer and inside during the winter.
Of course the dryer is broken now and I've been drying all my laundry
on the shower bar. I've been avoiding washing towels, because
they'll drip all the way upstairs.
Not about wetness, but when I was little, my mother would take my coat
out of the closet, which was surprisingly cold, and put it over the
hot air vent so it would be warm when I went to school.
Maybe they don't drip; I"m not sure. I thought they were just wet
when horizontal but if any part hung down, the water collected and it
dripped. (I had a hard time tightening the belt enough to make it
start spinning without my help, and I think I need a new belt. It's 36
years old too.)
I'm also afraid to hang too much weight on the shower rod, one wet
towel seems like the maximum.
So you got one of those idiot tubs without an overflow. I replaced a tub
for that reason. Of course you shouldn't let the water drip either.
But tubs and sinks without overflows are assinine.
I wish toilets had some sort of overflow drains too, so when they plug,
they would not run all over the floor....
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:07:32 -0600, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It has an overflow, but I've found that neither sink nor tub overflows
handle as much water as comes in.
I think I took the whole thing apart once -- remove the two screws adn
pull the wire and the bottomless bucket out from the wall -- and there
nothing clogged about it. Perhaps the area where the water leaves
the tub is not big enough.
Same problem with a sink.
How poor are you that you can only afford to keep your house at 55 F?
There's no way in hell I'd subject my family to that unless
financially I had no choice - and I'm a tightass.
I keep our house at 58 F at night, 62 F during the day - but I allow
an override up to 65 F if anyone's at home.
If you're not doing this out of financial desperation, then your
family is entitled to do whatever the hell they need to do to beat you
at your skinflint game.
It's my house, and I'm the one that pays the bills, so unless they
want to provide money for the energy bill, it's my call. That's how I
was raised and it always made perfect sense to me. It's reasonably
comfortable as long as you're dressed for winter, not summer, meaning
long pants, socks, and sweaters or sweatshirts. If you're sitting
still, grab a lap blanket.
Does your wife clean the house, do the dishes, cook your meals, wash
your clothes, or anything else I've not listed? Do you pay her
compensation for all the jobs that she does as a housekeeper, nanny,
I've heard that sort of argument before and to me it's just a selfish
and disrespectful mindset that never takes into consideration the value
of anything that wife does in the home.
No wife. I do most everything myself, though my elderly mom sometimes
cooks or washes out of sheer boredom - something I don't want her to
do for safety's sake.
I agree. If I had a wife, her labor would be her contribution.
Otherwise, if you're staying with me because you're a relative in dire
financial straits, well - you are welcome to stay till you get back on
your feet. That's what family should do. It's my house, so I'll do the
upkeep. You spend your time looking for work, or working to earn
money. If you're feeling cold, *you* decide if you want to turn over
some of your money towards the energy bill, or if you'd rather put it
towards your savings goal toward getting a place of your own. But if
I'm willing to live colder than I'd prefer in order to save my money
for better things, it won't hurt you to do the same, as long as you're
living with (off) me.
We keep the house between 68° and 72°, although it will fluctuate if we
get colder spells and go lower than 68°. For a long time the house was
always on the cold side, but this fall I bought 2 portable rolling oil
radiator heaters that are wonderful at keeping the house warm. They
cycle between high/med/low/off power settings and maintain a surrounding
temp based on the thermostat temp that you set it at. When it cycles to
off it's still producing heat because the coils are radiating heat from
the warmed coils.
They work so well that we have to turn the thermostat down. They are
slow to heat up a room, but once they get up to temperature we never get
cold. We've tried all sorts of portable space heaters to supplement the
gas furnaces and baseboard heaters throughout the house which never
really kept us warm, but these 2 oil radiator heaters weren't very
expensive at all and they do the job of all the other portable heaters
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