Who said they don't take days off? They took Sunday off which I expected and
don't begrudge them, but they also didn't show today at all. And your
analysis is full of holes. Why should someone get a medal if they drag ass
and take 10 hours to do something that should reasonably take 2 hours?
You're probably not familiar with this concept, but in lots of places they
actually have standards for performance.
Let me guess, you're in the business and you don't like being held to what
you say you're going to do.
Some here indicated it should have taken 2 or 3. The 5th day has yet to
Says who? They're already going to almost double their own projection.
You don't even make sense. Given that there's still paint and trim to be
done, none of it happens until these guys get done, and there's carpeting
after that. Again, some here have indicated it should have taken 2 or 3
days. At what point wouldst thou allow that "impatience" is warranted?
Particularly when it's been indicated that the original time frame is
already too long? At double the projected time frame? Triple?
We're not talking about building a nuclear power plant, it's a
straightforward drywall job on 2 bedrooms and a garage ceiling with no
If I was that familiar with the process I would have mentioned it. That's
why I asked the question I asked in here. And as I mentioned, I did ask
these guys specifically how long it would take. They said 4 days which means
the job should have been done yesterday and I could be getting on with life.
You should be getting on with it anyway. Regardless of how annoying
you find the few days of dealy, having a malfunction over it won't make
it go any quicker, won't make you any happier and will most likely make
things worse for everyone involved.
You are learning a lesson, free of charge. If you have specific
requirements they need to be addressed, agreed upon and documented
ahead of time.
If you have problems with the schedule and want to bitch at someone,
try the guy you're paying.
Completely unwarranted cheap shot at one of the most helpful guys
here. You must really be on edge.
You have several options: 1) Go along with good humour and do not
bitch to us or to the tapers. You will at least get the job
finished. 2) Bitch to the tapers about their "irresponsible and
unprofessional behavior" . Be sure to tell them they are taking
longer than several people in an internet newsgroup thinks they
should. 3) Fire them, hire someone else or do it yourself.
Yes, I am in the business. And no, I don't mind being accountable
for what I say I will do. Whether your people are acting in bad
faith, are victims of bad luck or whatever, no one here can do more
I can tell you that yours is a very small job ... no one likes small
jobs, even in a climate where work is hard to find. More, you don't
strike me as a prince to work for.
It's a completely appropriate response to his editorializing. Nothing "on
edge" about it. I asked a simple question and he feels he's qualified to
tell me how I should feel about a situation.
They liked it enough to take it. And the size of the job warrants being slow
about it? Logic would dictate they'd do it and be done with it.
Beside which, I hardly think they consider this job "too small". They'd been
on the job about an hour or less, I was talking to the son inside the house,
and went out in the garage to find the father lying on floor of the garage.
He was complaining about feeling run down. If the guy's not just a slacker
and the relatively small amount of work early in the day truly was kicking
his ass, this seems to be as large a job as they could handle.
Well let's, see. The first day they got there - 2 hours late from the time I
was told they'd be here - I listened to this guy whine about his messed up
life, getting hosed in business, his physical ailments, etc. etc. He asked
if I had any ice, I made them a pitcher of ice water since after years in
the business he didn't have the foresight to bring a cooler with Gatorade,
ice water, whatever, like every construction crew I've ever seen.
Allow me to direct you where to place your opinion.
You're right. I've changed my mind. Please feel free to get all
You posted back in August about a contractor's agreement
Is this the same contractor that you were asking about back then? ABC
American Building Contractors - Insurance Restoration Services, Inc?
No, different folks altogether. I didn't feel comfortable with them and the
concensus on here didn't do anything to contradict that.
And I do appreciate your input on that query.
Btw, up to this point, things have gone quickly. The GC is well known in the
area, and has been easy to get along with. The roof went on quick and from
my inspection of it, seems to be far more secure than the previous.
My suspicion is these guys are friends of his and he's throwing them a bone.
I'm glad to hear that. That was one scary contract.
Or maybe the taper father gave the GC his first job in the business -
you never know. It's also possible the GC is doing you a favor. I
know there's a big demand for construction workers in your area, and
you're comparing the tapers speed to some theoretical taping crew.
Maybe the GC made the right decision and considering who he had to
choose from, chose the guys you have now as the best choice to get the
job done with the minimum amount of headaches (not none - that's also
Welcome to the world of rockers. I don't know if it is true generally
but around here about the only group with a worse rep are child
When I guilt my house I was the GC. When I was ready for rock my
drywall contractor sent a crew of three...three guys who looked and
acted like the Scraggs from L'il Abner. NP if they could work but they
couldn't...no coordination among them, slow, late, sloppy. Had trouble
breathing and growing hair simultaneously. After two days I told the
contractor to send someone else. He did.
Next group was OK. Don't recall the hangers but the taper flew.
Unfortunately, after maybe three days he flew north to take a vacation.
Third crew was fine - especially the hangers. I cultivated them...long
day?...here's $20, have a pizza and beer on me, see you early tomorrow.
Taper was OK too. After they finished the 180 or so boards my only
problem was with the owner...he wanted to do the cement board himself
and I had to push like crazy to get him to do so. Ditto for him to clean
up all the out the window stuff.
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Client to Teamster:
How many men, and how long will it take to move this furniture?
Teamster to Client:
You got a problem with that?
Messing with a sub makes as much sense as messing with your barber or cook.
If you don't like him, just fire his ass and get another.
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